The Tale of Two Google Geeks

Discussion in 'Google' started by sportsguru, Mar 20, 2005.

  1. mopacfan

    mopacfan Peon

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    #41
    I disagree, the results I'm seeing are not nearly as good as Y or M. Just my opinion, but G just plain sucks right now.
     
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    bustour Well-Known Member

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    #42
    Does this have anything to do with the fact that your site happens to rank top 5 on MSN for firefighting, and doesn't seem to appear in the top 100 on Google?

    I know that that is the case for me. M and Y are very kind to me, whereas I might as well not exist according to the Big G. However, whenever I do a "real" search I always turn to Google, and I'm usually pretty happy with the results.

    But Google hasn't always been on top and I'm sure there will come a day when another SE comes along and nudges G out of the way--hopefully an underdog rather than Y or M. That's what makes things so interesting for us.
     
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  3. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #43
    We can all buy ADWORDS to get to the top of Google, what do your keywords cost Mopacfan :confused: :eek:
     
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  4. king_cobra

    king_cobra Peon

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    #44
    Participating in adwords cant do anything to your search engine rankings. As the ads shown aas adsense are through iframe and the folder the file which shows ads recide is blocked to robots.
     
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  5. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #45
    Will you give me a $1,000.00 if I can get you to the top of the page within 10 minutes with ADWORDS :confused: :p

    I said the top of the page, not in the organic SERP's :cool:
     
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    SEbasic Peon

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    #46
    No anthony, you said the organic results.
    Or did I misunderstand?
     
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  7. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #47
    Mopacfan has done all the SEO in the world SE, he can't get in the results :eek:

    Don't you think it is time to start buying a package deal :confused: :p :p
     
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  8. mopacfan

    mopacfan Peon

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    #48
    I would if I actually sold something besides my Project Responder t-shirts. The goal is to get visitors to come and click on my sponsors links and my adwords links. Thank goodness for M & Y. Google blows.
     
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    #49
    oops sorry anthony, i misunderstood ur content. i thought u were referring to search engine postioning. sorry again.
     
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    anthonycea Banned

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    #50
    All the linking stuff (PR) and resulting SEO tactics has ruined Google and bias in the SERP's because of the introduction of ADVERTISING.

    Money rules in business and Google is a business folks.
     
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  11. mopacfan

    mopacfan Peon

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    #51
    That's one, but search for 'skid unit' in G. Look at the top 30 results. You'll find results with no k/w in the title and/or in the header tags. Many of the results as you get even further are weaker and weaker, but look at skid unit on Y and you'll see the results are significantly different. I could double my money and so could G if I had good placements once again in the serps on G's index. I'm losing money and so is G. Once again, Google sucks. I used to think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now, they are serving up poor results and inevitably will suffer the consequences. And that sucks because it will take my adsense along w/ it. I guess I'll have to look into M & Y's adsense replicas soon if this continues along these lines.
     
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  12. anthonycea

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    #52
    The funny thing is that Google could change things back to the way they did them pre- July 2003 (pre-so called Florida update) real easy.

    But since then they have introduced algo's that include factors that favor profit centers and ruined the organic SERP's in the name of cash flow.

    Many folks still do not believe this but many webmasters are aware of what has happened and why.
     
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  13. king_cobra

    king_cobra Peon

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    #53
    But google had (atleast in the early years of search engines, they are the pioneers atleast of modern day search engines.) an image of something free though people knew google is a buisness, an incorporation. Many open source and GPL guys appreciated google and many of the geek hackers who stood for free information too didnt attack google like they attacked some other IT firms like MS, Oracle, E-bay and all. For some reason or other google was free and it was true. A user still looses nothing to use google. But as web becomes more popular and more accessible the web sites increased and so is the web masters. So there is now two sorts of customers for google, those who search (an average googler) and those who wanted them to be searched (web masters). This division among the customers made google to worry abt the delicate balance b/w both the sets. What google cudnt acheive is the trust of the web masters. And thus Google's image of free service slowly changed and so is their market share. Yahoo, MSN and others are gaining Google's market share because the searchers see them all as buisness firms and google is not any more a free thing for them. Also when google was launched nothing was there like google. They continued to be the monpoly in search technology till recently. But now that big companies and their multimillion dollar big brains made others too equal to google technology.
     
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    #54
    Great insight my man, thanks for the post :eek:
     
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    bustour Well-Known Member

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    #55
    I don't know. You're #1 for "skid unit" on MSN, so perhaps you've got too much at stake here. I see a lot of relevant results on both G and MSN for these terms. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here since I assume this is your area of expertise. Maybe most of those sites on G are junk. The real question, though, (SEO work aside) does your site really deserve to be #1 for skid unit? Is it THE place on the internet one should stop to find info on or buy a skid unit? I'm asking rhetorically to an extent, but I'm also genuinely wondering if you think, once you step back a bit, that Google is failing to capture deserving sites.
     
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    #56
    Yes but if you are HIGH in the SERP's on M$ & Y and other engines but not in G$ at all what does that tell you about G$ :D
     
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    #57
    I never said my page "deserves" to be #1. What I said is that if you look down the serps, you will find pages that are not anywhere near as relevant as the page on my site. That's the issue. Should mine be #1, that depends, based on how much effort is put into the design of other pages related to skid units, the answer is it should be in the top 10. Should my page be down around 100, no. This is why G blows now.
     
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    #58
    I must say bustour, Google has still the number one search technology out there. And no one is near to claim that in two years (biting my finger nails for the MSN dvanced search engine which Mr.Gates had hited in a recent BBC interview for clickonline, they are going to break the bounds he says, by extending search capablities to shockwave, movie files and even stream line audio. i wonder how they can analyse the content though.).

    google is showing junks as they have more than thrice the list of web pages other search engines maintain (MSN, Yahoo etc). So naturally, the chance of picking up a junk is thrice too. So pardon google if u see 3 junks in the first 10 results while msn or yahoo shows only 1. This is not the advantage of msn or yahoo technology. if they had as much webpages indexed as google has propbably they wud be showing 5 junks out of 10s.
     
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    #59
    Absolutely. The serps should not be that drastically different between SE's. G is just totally "out there" now. Their results are so different because they are over reacting to a percieved SEO threat rather than delivering the most relevant results.
     
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  20. bustour

    bustour Well-Known Member

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    #60
    It could tell you any number of things, besides what you're trying to imply. Most obviously, it could simply tell us that G is more difficult to manipulate...or least that's their intent

    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to try to defend G for too long as I certainly don't think they're above reproach. At this point, though, I think they have a better handle on finding the most relevant info.
    I'm still waiting for the underdog, someone apart from Y or M, to supplant Google. It makes things so much more interesting when there's a little guy in there mixing things up.
     
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