Yes... How does that mean that google are going to provide you with better Organic results if you spend more? What does the toolbar have to do with it?
Have you ever studied how advertising agencies conduct a campaign when they buy a big package? What happens in a large media buy is the following, the buyer and the sales representative of the ad media sit down and discuss a package. They talk about how many pages of advertising that they can put in the contract and the media company throws in editorial stories in the newspaper or magazine in addition to placing press releases in the stories or features when a large contract is signed. It goes without saying that the search engines do these things because they are in the advertising business and are media companies also. Go sign a multi-million dollar deal with Yahoo or Google and see where it goes.
If I had the money I would. But I still think you are wrong. Regardless as to how much someone spends on adwords, it isn't going to increase their natural SERP placement. If anyone has any PROOF that I am wrong, I would love to see it.
That is like asking someone for proof that they made a dope deal, they are not exactly going to rush out and give it to you SE
So you are saying that you have no proof of your statement then? And your analergy is flawed... I am not asking for the "culprit" to provide proof, only the witnesses.
How about I spend $10,000 US on advertising on your site, do you think you could throw in a few articles and editorials in your blog
If you spent a lot on adwords, why would they want your organic listing to be top also?? If that happened to me I would drop the adword campaign and stick with the free listing.............
I would provide you with what was initially agreed. Edit: How much have you actually spent on Adwords? Likewise, how many sites do you currently SEO? Until I see some impressive figures that back up what you are saying, I am going to pretty much disagree with your previous statements regarding Adwords and Organic results.
I don't have this problem as it is and adwords is for the KWP we are not ranking as high with, so I have nothing to experiment with. Plus we don't spend much, like less than 200 a month with them. But I still don't agree with your theory. I do think that google likes it when the algo change knocks people off the first page because it does create more adword buyers.
That does not change what I see in the search results, your opinion does not change facts that I see and I don't intend to give away any proof to anyone on an open forum and have nothing to prove to you SE, so you can believe what you will PS: Maybe Bush will give you some impressive figures on why we really went to war in Iraq also SE
OK... If you have nothing to prove then don't make statements that you are going to be pulled up on. It makes people look silly.
SE, in business, religion and politics there are always "dirty secrets" that are never told and also propaganda that you may or may not believe. You are free to believe whatever you wish, you do have the right to free speech for the time being and free thought also.
SE and Anthony I can see both points of view. As much as I hate to admit it it seems we are leaning towards 'If you want to play...pay'. I have personally always taken pride in employing good SEO techniques. It seems that finding your way to the top of organic listings is becoming increasingly difficult in terms of predicting any kind of logic. 1) People say get bls but don't accumilate too many too fast or a flag goes up at Google. 2) People say 'on page' is still important, keywords, descriptions, titles. body etc. Yet I find many sites ranked in the top ten, under highly competitive keywords, that have poor onpage. In fact not even mention once of the searched keyword in body, meta or title. While SEO guys are being accused of attempting to manipulate result pages. Have we ever thought that Google is manipulating the entire SEO industry??
The search index happens to be a profit center for Google and a tool to display their main product "ADVERTISING", I guess some folks just have not caught on to this fact yet
Amen brother - it is time for Yahoo! and M$N to seize the moment. Look, if the mighty Roman Empire could fall, then I think maybe Google can fall also. To me the handwriting is on the wall - it's just a matter of time before Humpty and Dumpty take a great fall... ...and all the King's horses, and all the King's men...
A lot of folks think that the searcher is the customer for the search engine and that is “the customer†that the engines target. The truth is that the webmasters and businesses are Google's main customer and main supplier also, they are the one's who buy ADWORDS and place Google product ADSENSE on their pages. The definition of marketing is meeting the needs of your customers, that is what the word means.
The advertisers are Googles customers. Searchers are like those watching TV commercials. The network TV stations work similar. The TV show is kind of free for the customer, but we have to view commercials to make it free. So, the concept is nothing new, and what google is doing isn't anything special.