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  1. new

    new Peon

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    #41
    what do you think about indian army ? aren't they terrorists by killing innocent muslims in Kashmir ?
     
    new, Jul 16, 2006 IP
  2. sizzler_chetan

    sizzler_chetan Prominent Member

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    #42
    Who said that Indian Army is killing Indian kashmiris?

    It is The Pakistanis who enter the border and try to do all these activities, and if they fail, they try for big attacks.
     
    sizzler_chetan, Jul 16, 2006 IP
  3. iPod

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    #43
    Ha Ha Ha Ha
    Stop Joking Yaar

    "Kabhi Baap Apne Bete Ko Nahin Marta Hai"
    "Beta Chahe Wafadar Na Nikle, Hota To Beta Hi Hai Na"

    So Leave It Guys. U don't even know what Pakistan is up to right now and u want peace. Go clean all the shit from ur country before asking for peace.
     
    iPod, Jul 16, 2006 IP
  4. Mr.Rock

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    #44
    they dont have proper answer of this question :( bcz they r the #1 terror of World :rolleyes: RAW playing in Karachi with innocent ppl and Scholars :( dont worry they wont accept the REALITY.. its natural, its by default :)
     
    Mr.Rock, Jul 16, 2006 IP
  5. SumitBahl

    SumitBahl Reign of Chaos

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    #45
    Wake up!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
    SumitBahl, Jul 17, 2006 IP
  6. iPod

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    #46
    There is one demand from around the world!!!!
    Wish someone can fulfill that

    It goes like this

    "Declare Pakistan A Terrorist State" :D
     
    iPod, Jul 18, 2006 IP
  7. hsaleem

    hsaleem Rocket!

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    #47
    People always ask

    Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

    Here are the answers for non-muslim brothers

    This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.
    Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

    1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

    2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

    One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

    3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

    I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

    4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.
    According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.
    Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

    5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

    Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

    6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

    Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.
    It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

    7. Islam means peace

    Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.
    Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society
     
    hsaleem, Jul 19, 2006 IP
  8. Mr.Rock

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    #48
    Nice post dear... I love it... but sir, we cant change thier thinkings... wait... what kind of reply we'll have after some time :(
     
    Mr.Rock, Jul 19, 2006 IP
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    #49
    Playing with words wont change the facts.
     
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    hsaleem Rocket!

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    #50
    "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error" [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

    Sumit Bhai ! If you don't agree - We have got no problems at all
     
    hsaleem, Jul 19, 2006 IP
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    SumitBahl Reign of Chaos

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    #51
    As i have stated earlier, i dont have any problems whatsoever with you or a normal Pakistani/Muslim.

    But you have to admit that your government is corrupt and there are a lot of anti-social elements in your religion.

    90% of militants are muslims. I dont know if your religion teaches them or your government does, to kill other people and give your religion a bad name.
     
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    hsaleem Rocket!

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    #52
    Sumit,

    It is nice to know that you haven't got any problems but It doesn't seem so from your previous posts.

    I want to add here - There is no relegion in this world that says "Kill People" as I had told you earlier. I would specially quote Islam here because Quran is all about Peace and Universal Brotherhood. It is the western media that has bombarded Muslims and Islam so badly that people just hate muslims and islam without knowing the fact that Islam is the most peaceful releigion of all.

    I can't say that Pakistani Government is very good and it is doing all good things for the betterment of people. Same is the case for Indian Givernment. Or is it?

    The basic purpose behind saying all this is that if people sitting above us are doing all crappy stuff for their own interests - Should we blame each other here for that and fight?




     
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    SumitBahl Reign of Chaos

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    #53
    Govts. are corrupt everywhere, but to promote terrorism and support millitants is a different thing.
     
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    #54
    The thing is not about religion or Islam.
    Sumit didn't say that 90% of muslims are terrorist. Instead it's 90% of terrorist are muslims. But time again it has been proved that Pakistan is a shelter for all militants. Why doesn't Ur govt let anyone inside ur country? Neither US nor India. Coz they fear that all thr militancy training camps and the biggest underworld dons will come in picture. God knows if Osama is alive.... but if he is, i bet he is in pakistan. What other safe country can one militant think of.
    It's high time guys that you raise a voice against ur government and shoo away these terrorist into the open, where we and foreign agencies can take care and shoot each and every militant bastard right in their good for nothing heads.
    Wake up guys! Ur pakistan's future is at stake!
     
    iPod, Jul 19, 2006 IP
  15. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #55
    LMAO... Dude you sometimes crack me up..
    Funny post, good one....
     
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    khushal Well-Known Member

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    #56
    Lashkar-e-tayyabd and Hizbul Mujhaideen Do they really exist NOW? They've been dooomed years back,and btw when did Al-Qaeda became Pakistani Based!!!??? LMFAO!!!
     
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    #57
    O Rly ???? :rolleyes:
    If you say so....

    Edit: and Mr. Khushal, Reps given in P&R forums dont have any value associated with it, So your red has no value.
     
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    #58
    :)Thanks for telling me
     
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    #59
    Just imagine the biaseness

    I got two infractions and 2 reputations just for replying you guys. I didn't swear at anyone. Read my posts and point one line where I have abused or said anything about hamanity or something

    Wow !
     
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    #60
    Who is biased?? :confused: As far as I know, this forum is not biased to anyone.
    May be RAW at work ;) :D
     
    The Webmaster, Jul 19, 2006 IP