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The Sarah Palin Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by stOx, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #1341
    If I am mistaken and the Republican party is now pro-gay rights, then I apologize.
    SEMrush
    If it is now a party of "many views" and liberal in nature then that is a good thing.
     
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    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #1342
    Of course you wouldn't.

    And you're right, not wanting a particular group of people to enjoy all the same rights as everyone else because of their sexual preference is not the same as wanting to hang them.
     
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    #1343
    Point blank: you pontificated that it is impossible for a "Christian" to become an "un-Christian."


    Now, in a thread in which you would declare who may, or may not get married in a church, you declare you are a guy, once a Christian, no longer a Christian. Which is impossible, since Christians may not become "un-Christians."

    Caught with your pants down usually requires more than a "d'oh!," but I guess I should long ago have learned the line is pinging, but when nothing's on the other end, it's useless to try.

    And yes, please, let's compare homosexuals to murderers, terrorists, and, apparently, pedophiles. We were talking about logic, folks?
     
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  4. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1344
    You keep going back to old testament, if you knew anything about the bible you'd know it is different now. Homosexuality however is mention in the new.

    Old testament :rolleyes:


    It has also been looked down on through all of those years. Only now is there a fight to normalize it. That is a threat!

    Well when the ritual involves a priest, a church,a prayer, and verses from the bible, i think religion has the right to stand up to protect their beliefs.
     
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    anions Notable Member

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    #1345
    There's simply no talking logic to some people.

    e.g my mum :p and certain people on this thread
     
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  6. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #1346
    No, not at all. The logic is usually ironclad, and it's always a blast to talk here, particularly when there is such a dearth of propaganda, and a wealth of intelligence and open-mindedness in place.

    Oh, and I am the One, the ur-demiurge. I'd like to talk to you about some hot stocks....:eek:
     
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  7. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1347
    Well my views have changed, it appears i never was "christian". Are you going to disrespect that too? considering you went through the same thing?

    Homosexual now, normalize it and pedophilia will be next. I mean why not? Homosexuals say they were born that way, and why should we punish them for that? Perhaps Pedophiles were born this way too? Who are we to say they cant give in the sickness they possess. I mean think about it, there was a time when if you saw a man kiss another, it was gross, now its funny, and soon to be accepted as normal.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #1348
    simpleg are you saying the ten commandments are not to be obeyed by christians?

    Actually that's entirely untrue. In Rome and Greece it was admired. It was seen as an achievement to have sex with another man because they were seen as first class citizens.

    If a priest doesn't want to marry certain people he shouldn't be forced to. Religion is a private business being conducted in a private building, They can do what they want, And i have nothing against the religious exposing themselves as hateful bigots, it makes my job a lot easier.

    But then that wasn't the point you were making, was it. The point you made was, and i quote, "The term marriage is a religious ceremony". Which was shown to be untrue and as such religious organisations aren't entitled to determine who gets to call themselves "married".

    gay people can't be prevented from being "married" (the word or the ritual) on religious grounds because religious organisation have no entitlement to either the word or the ceremony. What part of that don't you understand?
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #1349
    because homosexuality is between to consenting adults and paedophilia is the rape of a child. It worries me that you may need the differences spelled out for you.
     
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    That's the point, Simply. Your views cannot change. Or so you insisted on, my statements otherwise notwithstanding, using the same absolutist convictions you display here, now. You'd do well to consider you've nothing certain to declare, which of course, is the problem with trying to do so.

    You seem to be consistently missing a really basic point, Simply. Pedophiles are criminals, who hurt children. No such criminality exists for two consenting adults, living a homosexual life. Your conflation of the two makes zero sense, none whatsoever.

    Anyway, cheers. This kind of nonsense is why this is such a valuable way to spend one's time.
     
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  11. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1351
    Im saying that things have changed, the commandments are deeper now, there are not 10 but 53! READ STOX READ!

    Yeah and then the emperor Theodosius decreed a law condemning passive males to be burned at the stake. Justinian, towards the end of his reign, expanded the condemnation to the active partner as well, He warned that such behavior can lead to the destruction of cities


    Homosexuals need not partake in a ceremony in which the church takes part in.

    Take that for what its worth.

    And i am in individual, i support the republican party because the standard isnt bad. I may or may not agree with everything.
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1352
    Your wrong there was criminality, but it has evaporated due to normalization

    read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #1353
    Sounds like the liberal (and closet liberals) platform. These would all be reasons TO vote for Obama :)

    Gotta love it when Palin puts those whiny liberals in their place!
     
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    #1354
    Most people are interested to know about the economy rather than this nonsense that mccain and palin want to talk about. Market is down 500 today
    we would also like to see her do interviews. in particular with the View. we want to know if she is qualified or just an airhead. and we must insist that she must give relevant answer to the questions regardless of if she likes them or not. this is not miss Alaska beauty contest. the lines for that is around the corner.
     
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    #1355
    Death all over the world, declining economy... Yet here we are once again being distracted by what people do in their own homes. Politicians have been selling out our country for years and using things like this to keep us divided while they do it.
     
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    #1356
    Wade, I'm interested in clearing the air.

    Do you consider me "whiny," a socialist, a communist, an anti-American, a terrorist sympathizer, or any of the other things tossed out here?

    I have to tell you - the reason I abandoned the other thread was because I wasn't interested in pursuing an exchange based on stuff like:

    Because it is an insult to me. I don't play games, I don't seek to cloud up any issue, and I don't pull crap out of my ass, or out of thin air. What I say is based in conviction, and I do my best to support my contentions with substance, based in my best appraisal of the facts at hand. To be honest, in the other thread, between your comment above, and debunked's admitted childishness in attempting to "make me mad" while calling for - and ignoring - my concrete reasons for my point of view, I just didn't feel there was anything worthwhile in seeking a good faith discussion. Now, here, it feels more of the same.

    Gotta tell you - between Mia's and Homebiz's having the balls to tell me, a vet, that I'm a disgrace and a traitor to my country, because I don't support this war - and never have, with a consistent creed, and statements as to why - and crap like that spewed by Simply, above - well, yep, it gets old.

    Lots of labels being tossed. I have a serious problem with Palin's choice, and have shown why. McCain's plan has been shown - by neutral 3rd parties - to be within single digits of Obama's, in terms of budget impact. His tax plan has been also neutrally evaluated and shown for what it is. No "whiny liberals" but 3rd parties who have an interest only in lower taxes - not Obama's win.

    Again, I'd like to clear the air. Am I a moron, an idiot, a traitor, a disgrace to my country (Biz's and Mia's words), a "whiny liberal," etc. (Simply's words), or not?
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1357
    The economy is being dealt with, it takes time. The bail out will repair the economy, but it wont happen over night. What McCain focuses on is preventing this from happening again. And if you pay attention you will hear a lot about that.


    Why "the view"? It would be the most biased interview ever? I dont see biden giving out many interviews either. They are flying all over the country campaigning, no one has time to entertain the chaos that is "The View" Yesterday Sarah campaigned at 4 different locations in Florida, and i am sure each day is just as busy. Do you want to know what she is all about, or do you want to see her choke and get nervous?

    What does it mean if she chokes on camera anyway? That she has a hard time speaking? I got news for you, public speaking talent is not an indication of a lack of intelligence. Not to mention the media has there own agenda, and paste and cut the film to show whatever they want anyway.

    You want to see how competent she is review her career, she has proven her capabilities in numerous ways. What you are really hoping to see, is a chance to attack her. You should get off the whats wrong with Sarah hype, and check out whats right with her!!
     
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  18. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    I believe McCain and Palin should focus on the economy and how democrat's failure with Fannie and Freddie led to the situation we are in. The American public deserves to hear that truth, even though the media is doing everything in their power to cover it up until after November.

    She's done many interviews, some of which were wildly edited by partisans doing their part for Obama.

    So pretending that you are part of a "we" who really want to see things that have already taken place, because "you" may not be decided, is rather humorous.

    What people really want to see, is what role Obama played in the Rezko scandal, why Obama is palling around with unrepentant terrorists, why Obama was involved in a church for twenty years that is racist and preaches hatred towards the country he wants to be President of, why Obama was the largest recipient of political funds from Fannie May, Freddie Mac, why Obama sought 3/4s of a billion in earmarks, nearly a million per day in office and many other questionable associations and tactics.
     
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    Too bad. We need all the help we can get!!
     
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    #1360
    Market is down another 500 pt today. why is his campaign not suspended. I bet you it will be suspended next month
    that is the point Barbara walters won't let her get away with saying stupid things. She is not running for the class president. if she can't handle an interview how is she going to handle chavez.
    one day our life might depend on if she chokes or not. I don't take kindly to that
    I want to see her in enviroment that does not go her way. up to now i havent seen anything positive in this regard. I mean even if she was running for press secretary i would say ok, but VO give me a little break
     
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