The Sarah Palin Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by stOx, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #881
    LOL as i said let Pailin explain her position in her next interview . For me there is no doubt that they knew every word that went into that speech. and there is no doubt that every word was calculated.
    If not they are really incompetent.
     
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  2. jkjazz

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    #882
    I posted about this a few days ago. It appears that these changes started to show around July 14th which of course, was waaaayyyy before Sarah Palin.

    Less than eight weeks to go....
     
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  3. northpointaiki

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    #883
    There is no denying that Palin had a positive effect on McCain's moribund campaign.

    There is also no denying that the public taste for titillation lasts about 1.5 milliseconds. The remaining days to the election are lifetimes away, in terms of potential tidal shifts in political allegiances, and there are signs - nothing dramatic, yet, but signs nonetheless - that Palin's bump-o-meter has tapped its peak.

    Yesterday's market plummet, and today's further bleed with the AIG buyout, are not good news for the McCain ticket, or the GOP, generally. This legacy will last in the public memory over the next several weeks, unlike the notion of who called whom a "pig with lipstick."

    The fascination bubble for her candidacy has lost some of its luster - both for those who see her as "a hockey mom, just like them," a "breath of fresh air" worth their impassioned support, and for those who dig ravines in their skull, having scratched their heads in a benumbed "what the hell?" as to her fitness for the office at hand. Obama has regained some lost ground over the last few days, and the momentum appears to be in his favor. Not predicting there won't be anything other than dozens of shifts over the weeks to come, but I predict an Obama win, if a close win.
     
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  4. pizzaman

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    #884
    Now that we have a publicly owned insurance company, may be we can have a national health insurance plan. lol
     
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  5. jkjazz

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    #885
    When did this Palin bounce hit? Here is the info that I have posted before. Obama's popularity decline began to show around July 11th, waaayyyy before Palin.

    While these numbers may change, it is clearly based on other factors than Sarah Palin.

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  6. northpointaiki

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    #886
    Well, here's RR daily tracking, as only one source.

    [​IMG]

    Now, it could be argued, I suppose, that McCain's bump is entirely due to the RNC, as a general "thing," and not Palin, as likely the biggest phenomenon of that RNC, but I think that's grossly reaching. It is an astounding drop for Obama post-RNC, though the last few days, there has been a bit of a recovery back (Reuters, too, confirms this momentum, as I recall).
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #887
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/110446/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-McCain-45.aspx
    Obama 47% Mccain 45%
    the change is coming and i do not mean changecons
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    pailin the elitist
     
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  9. jkjazz

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    #889
    You seem to think that I am stating that SP has had no effect. That is not true. I am saying that Obama's slide started before the RNC or SP came on the scene.

    How do you explain the trends starting 7/14? No RNC or Sarah Palin effects can be attributed to any July numbers.
     
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    #890
    I am sensing Palin is like Rush, Foxnews or Hannity --- the majority of those who care about them are the extreme left... those are the ones doing all the advertising with their mouths, they just don't realize the affect they have.

    If it wasn't for the left I wouldn't know what Palin says or did. I am betting they will have her say something well written in a bit to regain the benefit of everyone looking at her instead of McCain, it sure seems to take the pressure off of McCain and on to Obama.
     
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    #891
    Totally disagree.

    I have had many discussions with those on McCains side both on DP, off DP, and listened to conversations at my gym, out to eat, etc. Palin is who almost all of them were talking about why to vote for McCain, and or the 'can't trust Obama' angle.

    The real world, at least where I live does not support your theory.
     
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    #892
    That's OK, it is just a theory. It is what I have seen and heard. I have had people bring up Palin, but only for a couple of comments (republikkkans)

    Thanks for the post, because I actually find this interesting. Do you agree with my comment in relation to say Rush Limbaugh?
     
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    #893
    I mirror Grim, Debunked. It wasn't the extreme left, for example, electrified by the woman at the RNC, and that kind of "phenomenon" appeal is what it is. Misguided, in my opinion, and completely ephemeral, as numbers are starting to show, but still, no denying, a "star" phenomenon, having as much to do with a resonant chord struck among rightists (principally, I'd say, the extreme right religious), as responses by Obama's camp to her candidacy.

    Someone somewhere said it: adopted first in 2004, Bush v. Kerry, Karl Rove and his progeny have perfected the "politics of outrage" to a masterful degree: Say "I'm outraged" long enough, loud enough, and you'll get people marching alongside, similarly "outraged," though if pressed, no one would really be able to say what it is they're truly "outraged" about.

    "Outraged" that Sarah Palin, a candidate announced as an 11th hour quarterback sneak on the American people, is being asked to answer for her person, her positions, her history - as much as any other candidate, in any other race. Kept quiet, refusing to answer questions, (refusing to transparently deal with potential, serious ethics lapses, as well), and the McCain camp is "outraged" on Palin's behalf.

    I get the tactical genius - Obama's camp cannot respond, without making Obama seem like he's fighting with a VP candidate, and not for the presidency - though I don't get the careless naivete in buying it. This is my opinion.
     
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    #894
    I think this is a pretty good indicator. http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/ec_graph-2008.html

    Granted, this guy is an obvious left winger and predicted a close win for Kerry in 2004 on the day of the election. He was wrong and could be wrong again. However, he does seem to take a lot of the statistics into account. The graph shows a big momentum change among the candidates since the Republican National Convention.
     
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    #895
    @jkjazz

    I agree that the obama wave started slowing down in June way before Palin came on board. The Palin pick really swung the momentum McCain's way and to my surprise made Obama concede losses in a few States and has lead Obama to concentrate on the big electoral states. NPT is correct that the election is still around 50 days out and anything could happen.
     
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    #896
    Palin cut funding for Alaska Special Olympics.
     
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    #897
    Palin: "I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime"

    http://www.propeller.com/story/2008...-jesus-come-back-to-earth-in-my-lifetimequot/

    Source: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html

     
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    #898
    Palin Spent $50,000 In City Funds To Redecorate Mayor's Office, Ex-Colleague Says
    Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.

    "Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.

    Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization.

    from your friends at http://www.huffingtonpost.com
     
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    #899
    I was prepared to vote for Romney and frankly his religion has claims that in my personal opinion make Christianity look like a Science textbook... but I don't particularly care about that because ti doesnt seem to have affected his ability to govern.

    Similarly, despite the tales the left would like you to believe... Palin isnt a raving religious zealot or she wouldnt likely have lasted as long or become as popular in the political realm she's traveled in. Shes been elected and re-elected mayor, came close on Lt Governor, then unseated entrenched opposition to become Governor and enjoys about an 83% approval rating. Compare that to our Congress, that has an approval rating roughly half that of George Bush.

    If a company discriminated on the basis of religion in the manner the Democrats want us to do in this case, they'd be violating Federal law. In short, unless she's a radical Muslim militant... I could hardly care less what her religious beliefs are.
     
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    #900
    she is a neocon. that is more dangerous.
     
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