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The return of Slavery

Discussion in 'Copywriting' started by Kraven2, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. Kraven2

    Kraven2 Active Member

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    #361
    Better is measured by effect. If his article with typos outsells yours with perfect writing he wins.

    It all comes down to the almighty dollar.
    SEMrush
    But if you are that confident, why not take him up on the dare and do a writing duel? Funny fact is that nobody ever did, so you could be the first :)
     
    Kraven2, Jul 30, 2010 IP
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    YMC Well-Known Member

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    #362
    Contentboss, with regard to Ramsey's kids eating burgers...one could say he simply "knows his audience."
     
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    parsibagan Active Member

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    #363
    That is not correct. Most people tend to forget the geographical factor, when they optimize a page. If someone from America searched for the term, `coffee,' they would get different results than someone searching from the United Kingdom. Making a website location related is a tougher task than vanilla SEO.

    P.S.: Also, no major corporation occupies the top spot for the term `coffee.' :)
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    Well the geographical factor is an issue, but I still think the same applies. As I've said before, I'm in England, and here, wikipedia is the first result shown for 'Coffee', but the second and third are large corporations, the third being myflavia, which is a Mars product. I used to do linking and content creation for myflavia, and I know what their budget is to get up there ,and it's big (not that I saw a lot of it!) I'm not ruling out being able to get up there, I just think it is difficult. But I take what you're saying, everything is local!

    Kraven, for about the fourth time, dyadvisor has never challenged me to an article writing contest! I guess people are just not reading the full thread... besides which, it is pretty much impossible to give a definitive answer to what is better. Getting to the top of google is great, it's fantastic, but if what is there is not any good, then it is not going to convert. I'm not even saying that anything he writes is not going to be good, I am just saying that something like article writing is very very subjective, and something like an article writing contest would only ever result in more arguments about how we judge such things.
     
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    Kraven2 Active Member

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    j3rr3my8 I lost count how many times I stated this before, but it is an open challenge to anyone. He stated that many times in several threads.
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    Well feel free to read what I just said for the reasons why such a challenge would serve no purpose
     
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    parsibagan Active Member

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    I'm really puzzled. Search results for the term `coffee' on `google uk' does not have `myflavial' in the top 10 slots.

    1st Wiki
    2nd Whittard of Chelsea
    3rd Costa Coffee

    And yes, I tried querying twice. Once after clearing the browser cache. :-/
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    ah... ok- sorry still signed into gmail - so that warps your results these days to sites recently visited etc. Nope yours will be right, as long as you're signed into gmail!
     
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    Kraven2 Active Member

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    Oh I read them, and decided it was better to refrain from responding, as what I would have replied would not have been very nice ;)

    Doing my best not to start a pissing match here.
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    #370
    But, results are kind of the same anyway. Whittards of Chelsea and Costa both massive companies with lots of SEO budget I expect
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    Doing my best not to start a pissing match here.[/QUOTE]

    Seems to me like that's exactly what you're trying to do...
     
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    Kraven2 Active Member

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    #372
    I have no doubts it will end up like that if you choose to continue down this road.
     
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    gvannorman Well-Known Member

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    #373
    I get

    1. Wikipedia page for Coffee
    2. Startbucks
    3. Gevalia
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    Do you mean the road of answering your posts in the same manner that you answer mine? Or the road of trying to make peace with several other people on here which is the road that I have happily negotiated in the last twenty four hours or so?

    If you didn't want a p1ssing match you wouldn't keep attacking me, which you have been doing by way of dissecting my posts.

    We're all friends here now, why don't you let sleeping dogs lie?
     
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    Are they the US results Gvannorman?
     
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    Kraven2 Active Member

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    Which would be the road you are on in this thread.

    First of all I am not dissecting your posts but addressing them point by point. Wouldn't want to leave anything important out.
    Second of all if you view that as an attack, I guess that's in your head. It seems to me like you can only handle being the one dishing out, but when the favor is returned you are suddenly attacked?

    Yes I am answering you in the same fashion you are responding to me, seems to me that is the way you prefer it, or you would use a different tone yourself no?

    as for sleeping dogs, I am not after getting into a pissing match with anyone, but I won't walk away for it either.

    As far as I am concerned you were out of line here, and if you choose to continue that's your call not mine. Don't expect me to walk away from something I believe to be correct about.

    You can take this down any path you choose, I'm an easy guy and tend to give people what they are after :)
     
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    WebBuddy Well-Known Member

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    #377
    Just for the record - Results for Coffe In India
    1. Wiki
    2. www.indiacoffee.org - Coffee Board of India
    3. Cafe Coffe Day
    4. Coffee @ NationalGeographic.com
    5. coffee-soft.org ( a groupware application)

    So, not the best position, but still on first page - it shouldn;t be too hard tp break into spot 5.
     
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    Mystique Well-Known Member

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    #378
    Thanks for point me at what's now discussed here.
     
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    j3rr3my8 Active Member

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    Ok so maybe not the best example in the world, but if were talking about search terms which the big companies are going for in whatever particular region you are in, it might be difficult.

    That's the point I am making. I don't know, try bean to cup, or coffee machine, or espresso machine to see what I mean -search terms that big business go after will be hard to break into, because they have industry professionals buying links, cvreating backlinks gthrough viral campaigns, people embedding links into well written articles etc etc. It's tough, that's all, but no one is saying it's impossible :)
     
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    gvannorman Well-Known Member

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    I was asked about "make money online" after a bit of research I feel that it could be relative easy to break the top 10. The number 1 position really does not have a hold on it very well. Except for backlinks, the site has around 11,000 but with a bit of work and steady link building that could be out done. Which is why I wanted to talk to you.
     
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