The hing is that he will never have a clue of the truth, as long as the truth don't belong to anti-bush mongers.
Get yourself educated. This is no longer about Bush. George Bush and John Kerry are COUSINS (source 2). They're both members of the SAME SECRET SOCIETIES. They're both controlled by the same powerful people. You think George Bush is protecting us? He's preparing another attack on Americans to continue his plans to declare MARTIAL LAW and shred the constitution on us. ATF: 550 pounds of explosives missing in New Mexico Tuesday, December 20, 2005 The theft, discovered Sunday night, included detonators, commercial explosives, sheet explosives, prima cord and shock tubes... We're not any safer now than on 2001. The same people are still in control. Educate yourselves.
Learning Chinese might not be a bad idea. At the rate the American school system is deteriorating, along with our industrial and IT jobs being sent overseas, along with increase illegal immigration and economic woes, Americans might need to learn Chinese really soon. China has built a military capable of doing battle on a global scale. All you Dems can thank Bill Clinton for allowing Chinese spies to steal American Nuclear secrets(which Bill probably did on purpose). Most Americans have no idea that earlier this year, China and Russia both participated in joint military exercises. Historically, China and Russia have been enemies, but now it seems they are working together. This is bad news for the US, because historically both China and Russia have been antagonistic. Iran is also involved now with China and Russia. If the Neocons invade Iran(like they want to), China and Russia may react, and their is no guarantee the EU will back up the US. You don't have to be a genius to see this could lead to World War 3. Here is a scary scenario. The US has another staged terror attack like 911, but even worse, like a nuclear or biological attack. Since the US military is over extended in other countries, the Government must call in NATO troops or Chinese troops to restore order and maintain. These troops, unlike American troops, won't have a problem killing Americans, and confiscating our firearms.
Crazy conspiracy theories, way to out there for me...I can see the thought behind them, but to believe in them you realy almost need to want to... however Unlike US troops the US population would be a bit quicker to start fighting back against foreign troops.
Well, IMO, most make sense. You think we could fight off an attack of the left coast? You think we could mobilize the necessary man power? Even if we could, I think it would take 5 to ten years for this country to tool up and provide support hardware. Right now, we are too dependant on other countires for manufacturing. How did we get here?
The hard science that proves there's simply NO EXPLANATION for molten steel in the basements of these buildings UNLESS there was bombs exploding inside? There's no conspiracy about it, its UNDISPUTABLE SCIENCE. You can choose to ignore it because you're to afraid to admit what it means. What's more crazy? Believing 3 buildings in 1 day succombed to fire when its NEVER happened once before or after in MUCH WORSE FIRES. Believing a few arabs with box cutters could fly around for hours without any defense coming after them? Believing that a 747 120 foot wide plane fit into a 15 foot hole in the pentagon? Or to examine the evidence and realize exactly what that evidence means.
I do see how the theories fit together I've actually in the past read up on them a bit, guess I just hold out hope that no matter how corrupt our politicians are they could not be this bad... We are way to dependant on others, I agree with you there. Also dump another thought into the process about us as a country and the tools of war we have. Yes they are powerful, but similiar to Natzi Germany they take alot of repair/maintenance to keep going. I wonder how well our mighty military w/o nukes, and if our mainland was actually invaded would fare. My post was actually to Teslas.... Evidence to try to explain something doesn't always equate to it being correct, sometimes things happen one can not explain...
A guyz this is not what you are talking about. This is about deals and supplies of raw material related nuclear / MD weapons when they started to move from underworld market of Russia to Afghanistan. So it was necessary to find out who is taking it in Afghanistan.And the guy was Abu Shmeem Al Raza Mustfa little group (but independent) inside Al-Qaida. Eventually it became necessary for American Regime to take some serious action on Afghanistan but they first took it seriously on their own homeland to soften the way for Afghanistan. These Weapon reports were available to B Clintion in last few months of his tenure but it got more intensive in Bush's tenure. That's the story. Beleive it or not .
Many Americans are so dense light could literally bend around them. As I sit here writing this post, I'm also watching Montel Williams on TV and he has a show today about Americans being arrested by law enforcement for crimes they didn't commit, and being held and having their children taken away from them. The officers didn't even have a warrant and violated the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. Most Americans just don't know their rights anymore. They've been successfully brainwashed and dumbed down. Seeing people on tv talk about being arrested without due process sends a message to people that it is ok, when it is not. hrblcantra, Americans have no choice but to fight back. They fought back in 1776, and we will have to fight again. I'm not a violent person and the idea of having to fight the government scares me. But what scares me more is being a slave and living life on my knees. It is better to die fighting. This whole issue is not about money because "they" have more money than they will ever need. This issue is about control. They want to kill us off and create their own world in their own image. The sad thing about it is their is so much historical evidence of this and when you tell people about it they just shrug it off as conspiracy theories, despite the obvious decline of the US. Dismissing it is a crazy "conspiracy theory" is the easy way out.
Anyone can make a conspiracy, prove it to be real....I'm actually very open on it, not taking an easy way out but what's in this thread overall is a bit out there IMO... I am not a 'dumbed' down American who does not know my rights, I follow the news and history so that reason to me personally does not wash...Others I agree it does, much of America is that way.
"Anyone can make a conspiracy, prove it to be real....I'm actually very open on it, not taking an easy way out but what's in this thread overall is a bit out there IMO..." I have my own personal quote that I came up with and I would like to post it here so everyone can read it. It goes like this: "They say fact is stranger than fiction, and whoever said that is right. The things that really go one in our world today is stranger than any book you could ever read, movie you could ever watch, or game you could ever play."
hey yo yo, you bring up a lot of questions but no answers. If the molten steel at the bottom wasn't caused by the firse ignited by the airplane fuel, what caused them. Most bombs wouldn't cause pools of molten steel. What is your theory about what caused it.. People have the right to question, but the answers aren't convincing.
bobertcole the question is the answer. You find the answers by asking the questions. Earlier in this thread most people agreed that jet fuel isn't hot enough to melt steel. Common sense dictates that if jet fuel isn't hot enough to melt steel then its not hot enough to leave molten steel at the base of the building. The only thing that could generate that much heat would be explosives. Firefighters kept saying they heard "boom boom boom" in the building and it sounded liked explosives. The evidence is conclusive.
Heh, good thing about UK politics is that noone goes in it for the money because the money is crap. Tony Blairs wife makes alot more money than him, with her normal legal job. Noone would let them take home millions, and basically every big buy (new car, holiday, sometimes even new designer clothes!) is scrutinised in British press. In UK, you normally need to spend decades basically going round to peoples houses / town halls ect before you're even a proper party member By the way, your post about WW3 is interesting. I don't think China/Russia would ever do anything seriously militant these days. China will be the superpower in 10-20 years, so it doesn't really need to. Not to mention the fact that noone wants a world war these days as it would just end with a nuclear war. The thing that really scares me though is that Iran government. He was quoted sometime last year saying he wanted to wipe out the entire anglo-saxon race, now he's probably building nukes. This is the same guy who said the holocaust didn't really happen.
I really think that the key to unveil all the problems by its roots is to follow up all the secret groups, spy on them, collect proof, publish it. They need pressure from outside, they need to know,smell and feel that they can't manipulate or do whatever they want. We have sufficient tools to deal with problems of our societies in an open manner. - We don't need them. They are deffinately against common communities with far to much power and have corrupted and influenced governing systems worldwide badly already. Free Masons, Bilderbergers, Skull & Bones, Jesuits - just a few to mention. Here a sample how far they go sometimes. "Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated." Professor Arthur Noble [The following is the text of the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction as recorded in the Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216), from which it was subsequently torn out. The Oath is also quoted by Charles Didier in his book Subterranean Rome (New York, 1843), translated from the French original. Dr. Alberto Rivera, who escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, confirms that the induction ceremony and the text of the Jesuit Oath which he took were identical to what we have cited below. – A. N.] When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colours, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant: (The Superior speaks My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and to incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace; to take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means. You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death. You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labours with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved". Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me: (Text of the Oath I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments, and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding, I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things, whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament. (He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.) (Superior speaks You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank. In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one crosses his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the centre of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the centre of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges; the other answers Impious. The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers: From whither do you come? Answer: The Holy faith. Whom do you serve? Answer: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world. Who commands you? Answer: The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ. Who received you? Answer: A venerable man in white hair. How? Answer: With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order. Did you take an oath? Answer: I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, nor sex, nor condition; to be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring. Will you do that? Answer: I will. How do you travel? Answer: In the bark of Peter the fisherman. Whither do you travel? Answer: To the four quarters of the globe. For what purpose? Answer: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfil the conditions of my oaths. Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.
If it can be proven, it's no longer a theory, it's fact. The government's own official account of events is by definition a conspiracy theory. You just have to choose which one makes the most sense with ALL the facts put together. I hope you mean the independant news. Mainstream news is controlled by the government, why do you think they never question 9/11? I also wouldn't count on our history books being more than 75% accurate either.