I'm watching the first video you PMed me (33 minutes long, 1/2 way through). First off, this has nothing to do with any points ever made, but the narator sounds gay (not there is anything wrong with that) I am only half way through and I find many facts that are anti-conspiracy brushed off while points that may sustain the theory emphasized upon. There are many points that pray upon the ignorance of people and I will only point out one. The 5 pictures, film has a frame rate or 12 pictures/ second. the area in front of the pentagon is about 150 ft. A plane travelling at 600 mph travels about 800 ft/sec. The chances that the plane is captured in the camera is pretty slim yet it is the main focus of the first half of the video. Whoever made this video is preying upon the ignorance of people and is quite pathetic.
To me it demonstrates their obsession. The accuracy, the planning, the dedication. They didn't just do a job they got paid for, it was their lifetime mission. They were determined to go out with a bang (literally) and used all of their resources to do so.
Funny, because the pilot school quotes them as being lazy and not caring they were failing flight school. We'll ignore that fact though
LOL, the last part of the video was funny, the passengers were placed in a room and blown up and then shipped to the morgue to be identified. This sounds more real than what is commonly believed. Reminds me of the movie Capricorn 1.
They didn't want to practice landing and a few other things that normally flight students learn. There was a report on that. That was most likely a big part of why they were not good students overall.
A quick 5 minute video about the pentagon crash: http://www.erichufschmid.net/ForBollynsSpeech23Oct2004.wmv
I just watched a 33 minute video that basically undone any credibility you may have built, but at least it made me laugh. My wife is horny and I have to go so before I give her the point I have one more point for you: Protesters scream the loudest and non-protesters go on with life. The reason you see all the cospiracy sites and videos is because of protesters trying to make a point, draw attention and even make money. The lack of arguements is that those who believe the presented version really couldn't be bothered to debate it and just go on with life. I really enjoyed your arguements, but that 33 minute video really blew it for me so now I'm left with a horny wife and although there will be no video proof, penetration will be made.
Things are becoming really clear to me. If the Government really did want to commit a large conspiracy, it would be quite easy. All they have to do is go on TV and tell you what to believe, and you obey. There's still no one offering any reasonable explanation as to why there is MOLTEN STEEL at the bottom of the 3 buildings. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Building 7 collapsed from tiny fires when HUGE 16+ hour long fires have NEVER destroyed a steel building before or after. There are literally HUNDREDS of items pointing AGAINST the official story, and people sit around dismissing them as "conspiracies" without even taking any open minded consideration into them. Just for trying to have a debate about this I've seen multiple people come in and not read anything, and just bad mouth me or the idea that the Government lies - you people make me sick. These guys really add a lot to debate and I can certianly tell they are well educated on the topic: Minstrel's post was especially funny, talking about the willingness to believe conspiracies amazes him, yet the official story of 9/11 is by definition - a conspiracy theory.
roman1 you don't want to look up all the questions I ask because you are afraid of the answers. You also seem to have a pathetic understanding of basic physics principles. 1. If I take a pen or a knife, and shove it through a strong screen window, the window will not "collapse". The pen will merely punch a whole in the screen. The 767s hitting buildings were like a pen or knife hitting a screen. It is impossible for them to damage the support structue enough for them to fall. Your answer about the NORAD issue is complete BS. If you're going to argue can you bring stronger facts? NORAD made a mistake? Then the Bush Admin should be thrown in prison for "criminal negligence" should they not? How do you accidentally allow 4 planes to fly into a bunch of buildings? You can believe that pie in the sky crap if you want to. To be honest with you, you and everyone else in this forum who believe the "official" story do so because you're scared. You're scared because deep down inside you know the government is lying, but you're in denial. That is ok. That is a natural reaction to a situation like this. But being in denial doesn't stop the truth. The very fact you couldn't answer ALL the questions I raised and refuse to research them shows your denial, as well as lack of a strong argument. By the way, where did you get the analogy with the "falling trees" that the North or South tower fell on building seven? Did you not read my question? I said specifically that building 7 fell even though it "suffered only mild fire damage." That means nothing fell on building 7, and research supports this. Your arguments are weak. I would slaughter you if we were both lawyers in a court room.
YoYo, you took a stance and just because we disagree we are all sheep? Don't forget, the reason you have not been yet been executed by the government is the same reason we can voice our opinions. Obviously there will never be an agreement on the events that happened, but at least we have the freedom to vocally express our opinions. You quote on people that have done research and try to argue with those that have not. Just the fact that us uneducated ones put up a good fight must say a lot. Facts can be skewed, but my common sense has got me this far in life and I trust it will see me through to the end.
One more thing. Since evidence shows that Building 7 fell even though it was not hit with either a plane or another building, common sense dictates that the building fell due to a controlled demoliton, ie bombs in the building. Larry Silverstein got on tv and screwed up and said we "pulled the building." But they didn't just pull building 7. They pulled the North and South towers also, using the planes as cover to make it look as if the planes were the cause of the buildings falling. This supports what yoyo was saying about molten concrete/steel at the base of the building. This could have been only accomplished with controlled demoliton. But there is a problem for those who belief the "official story." If the buildings fell due to control demoltion, the next logical question would be: "who put the explosives in the building?" Jeb Bush, the president's brother, was security director at the WTC centers before 911, and his title ended on 911. If there were explosive in the building, an investigation would eventually be focused on him. And you can clearly see where this would all go.
I am not afraid to look up answers, just not worth my time. If you believe no debris hit WTC7 when the towers fell, well I really don't know what to say as I find it impossible. Personally I am not scarred of anything, I fly a paraglider and have had the shit hit the fan and while plummetting to the ground at 60 MPH had enough sense to deal with the situation and survive. I am Canadian and my government lies all the time as does yours: "read my lips, no new taxes", but that does not mean every bad event that ever happens is a plot to rule over us. As for your lawyers, yes they would eat me alive, that's what lawyers do before moving on to politics, but if I had to face them I would educate myself more. like I said, the fact that I/we put up a debate at all compared to the "authoritive" people you quote says alot. Again I fall back on the common sense that saved me from creating another crater in the Earth and voice my opinion that "I don't believe it".
It's not that you disagree. It's that you come in and in 5 seconds without reading anything you dismiss it and make fun of it like an ignorant person would. I'm using the term "you" meaning all the people quoted in my last post, and I also forgot lorien. At least you Roman, have admitted your ignorance on the subject, and that you can't possibly form an educated conclusion on what really happened. You've also took time to at least read SOME of the arguments and watched some of the video. So I'm actually am slightly impressed by you're willingness to at least partially listen The reason I haven't been executed is much simpler, there's no need for it. If you watched the 4th part of that video it explains why conspiracy theorists who are actually right about the conspiracy - are a bigger danger dead than alive. But since you've already made a decision to laugh at the guys video I won't send you the rest.
Another sentence that covers everything wrong with people today. They spend their time watching TV and playing video games instead of educating themselves. If a large conspiracy by the government to kill thousands of people and start wars all over the world wasn't worth your time to at least EDUCATE YOURSELF on, who knows what is.
My first post had a point in it wittyness: PR0 = no value. In my opinion. It was an opening line for me. I am discussing the issue with you in a very fair manner, I even sent you a green rep to not taint my stance in you thinking I sent a red. I respect your opinion no matter how much I disagree. As for the video, it started off interesting but in all honesty, when the guy implied that the government took the passenger from the flight, stuck them in a room and exploded a bomb, then shipped the body parts to the coroner, now really, compared to the "government" story of what happened which really sounds more beleivable?
The first part is right 100%, I just don't think it applies to 9-11. There are other bad people in the world, alot of whom would like to see each and every American citizen dead.
Unfortunately the guy does have some colorful ideas. But that's just it - he's not claiming to know everything - he's throwing out facts and ideas - and asking the government to just release the videos of the pentagon crash that we know they have, etc and disprove everything. Believe me, I'm not claiming everything in the video is correct - I'm just trying to show you the other side of the equation. I find the blowing up bodies part just as hard to believe as the failed flight school terrorists pulled this off without anyone knowing it was going to happen. The only way to ever get the truth out of the government is to get enough people to question them. So why aren't we?
roman1 are you a American citizen? If you are I find it sad that you find it "not worth your time" to educate yourself and investigate the many unanswered questions about 911. Nearly 3,000 people lost their lives and their souls are begging to be avenged. The least you could do is research to find out the truth about 911. Please explain to me. If you are not scared do you simply not care about all those people that lost their lives? If that is the case, I'm not surprised. Most Americans these days care about nothing but themselves. If nothing bad is happening to them personally, why care? That is the type of attitude that will destroy this country. Now the government/city of New York is about to build the "freedom tower." The Freedom Tower is an obelisk type structure which represents the male sex organ, or phallus. They will then put a torch on top of it in plain view of all you fools to show the world the lives they sacrificed on 911. George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and the people that control them from the shadows are evil. Whether or not you believe in God or the Devil is irrelevant. They do. Some of you are wondering what am I talking about? Well, to be blunt, the evidence shows that many prominent members of our government worships Lucifer. I have some startling photos I can post for anyone who doesn't believe me.