JFK conpsiracy has been debunked in my opinion. Many years and much research by very qualified people have concluded such. Last year I watched a show on A&E (I believe) that was an hour long and they went through everything. I just can't see any room for conspiracy there. New World Order? Just a fancy term used by people to refer to any number of things. Illuminati? Not even convinced such exists. Bohemian Grove? Not familiar enough with it. Is it another alex jones *made for profit* conspiracy? Skull and Bones - Just a club. Aliens? - I actually find this one interesting. I don't subscribe to the notion that they DO exist, but I don't discount that they DO NOT. Sometimes on Discover or A&E, there are documentaries about the subject and I sometimes watch them. I think it's a fascinating subject, but not one I spend any time with, unless I just happen to see something on TV about it.
Again interesting. Apparently there's a video on youtube about someone who managed to get inside Bohemian Club, of which all the rich and powerful people are members of. Did you know Bush and Kerry are cousins? I saw a little of the video and it mentioned that. Think I'll watch it later...
After a quick google search, I found out that they are related but, on a very long distance. Since the distance is so long, I don't really think it matter. http://msn.ancestry.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/ I guess if you want to make something out of that As for other conspiracies, its really hard to find one that isn't thoroughly debunked. JFK debunked completely, I think. I like to believe in the Loch Ness Monster - even though the family of guy who "created" the legend has shown how he did it. Same with Bigfoot - didn't that family come out and show how that was done too? Reality has to set in, at some point. Some things are fun to believe in, but some are just so silly that its hard to believe any sane person takes them seriously (9/11 is getting very close to this). EDIT - dammit. Latehorn beat me. I was going to add that I'm probably a closer cousin to Leif Ericsson than Kerry is to Bush. But in either case, its not hardly relevant to anything.
So Lorien, you don't believe any conspiracies? EDIT: Just for those of you interested in what Alex Jones has to say about Bohemian Grove Club: http://terrorpets.com/index.php?option=com_bookmarks&Itemid=1&task=detail&id=15 EDIT: Woah! Watch this, it hurt my head for a while, but it's truly an amazing video! Only 11 mins long: http://terrorpets.com/index.php?option=com_bookmarks&Itemid=1&task=detail&id=275 Don't know why it's on Terrorpets though.
Tried to use the service as well, but it does only work in US.. well, see if you are a closer related to any of your presidents than Bush is to Kerry.. I think that you might find something, since you have to go back 500 years in Bush-Kerry's case.
Doubtful. You and I are probably closer, Latehorn. My mother is from Danmark, my dad's grandparents are from Sweden. So pretty unlikely for me. Not really. Let's say the illuminati existed as a group 200 years ago. I doubt that any group of people has the fortitude to keep a common goal together for that long and ensure its fruition. By our nature, mankind is a short-sighted creature. Conspiracies that take 100 or 200 years to resolve are just illogical. Motivations change, times change. Conspiracies on a grand scale (9/11, moon landing) simply involve too many people to put into action. No one ever steps forward with a document saying I have proof that this was faked. It's all inuendo, half facts, cartoon physics (moon landing conspiracy is full of cartoon physics, so is 9/11). Usually involving an anti-american theme to them (thus, my axe to grind comment that I always make). No one ever has a conspiracy that the Petronas towers are really meant to communicate with aliens or similar nonsense. Its always stuff America does or has had done to it. In college, I used to listen to talk radio a lot, and believed in the NWO. I still do, to some extent. I do think there is a movement to make sure we have a global government at some point, but does that goal define every day legistlation? I doubt it.
Sorry, I meant, Ron Brown. I believe these "conspiracies" because, unlike the facts that have been presented publically when it comes to things like, 911 and JFK, this is at least plausable.
I watched that same show. They screwed up from an advertisers point of view though. The first 4 minutes of that show sealed the debate for me, and I surfed to another channel after about 15 more minutes. Great show btw, and anyone that thinks there was more than one shooter is a moron.
Answers, thanks: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2342926&postcount=755 http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2343990&postcount=760
Like I said, I cannot argue about your data, because it is irrelevant. All that graph shows is that their GDP in comparison to their debt is better than it has been in the past (which still doesn't mean its good). If you want to get a better picture of how the economy is going, you need to look at a couple of things (and I'm not wasting my time going through everything): - Exchange Rates, the US has gotten weaker against many of the major currencies: http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/AUD/hist2006.html http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/GBP/hist2006.html http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/CNY/hist2006.html This means that it is more expensive to buy stuff from the US, so theoretically exports will go down. - Trade Deficit, in 2003 the trade deficit was 547,302 million. In 2005, it had risen to 782,740 million. The reason this is a problem is because it means the US is losing money to other countries. This combined with the interest rates means more imports will go up, and exports down. - Debt "The Outstanding Public Debt as of 18 Feb 2007 at 01:35:43 AM GMT is: $ 8 , 7 4 2 , 2 8 4 , 2 9 2 , 6 5 9 . 2 9 The estimated population of the United States is 300,985,733 so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,045.51. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.67 billion per day since September 29, 2006!" http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ "According to the Bush administration's fiscal 2008 budget blueprint, the unified budget deficit of $248 billion in fiscal 2006 will decrease to $244 billion in 2007 and $239 billion in 2008. Then the unrealistic assumptions kick in. For example, the budget plan assumes that the costs of the war on terror will decline from $163 billion in budget authority in 2007 to $142 billion in 2008 to $50 billion in 2009 to zero in 2010, 2011 and 2012. It also assumes that the alternative minimum tax will be imposed on tens of millions of middle-class and upper-middle-class families beginning in 2008 and extending indefinitely thereafter. Combined with numerous other unrealistic assumptions, the Bush plan then projects that the deficit will decline to $187 billion in 2009, $94 billion in 2010 and $54 billion in 2011 before achieving a unified budget surplus of $61 billion in 2012. Even then, such an achievement would be completely overwhelmed by an intervening explosion in the national debt." http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070212-091022-6828r.htm So basically, America will run out of money unless the do something major in the next couple of years Yeah, and? I never said Al Qaida was a conspiracy, you made that up. They are no more harm than any other radicals in the world. If there was a priority list on what to worry about, things like the drought, water and what's for dinner tonight would rank above terrorism from Al Qaida. No but you see they at least would use a missile and save the lives of people that would otherwise be on board a plane. It's no secret John Howard sucks George's dick. He insulted the other US guy (the one that will more than likely win; good on you dickhead), refuses to sign the Kyoto Protocol solely because Bush won't sign it (all our states support the protocol, but Johnnie Boy has the majority so his personal preferences become what the whole of Australia has to do) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol Wait until the Bush is thrown out of Government, and both the US and Australia will sign it, you'll see. Funny, for someone that doesn't even know me you seem to like to make big assumptions. Still, up for that IQ challenge? I know who will win, and it's not you The keyword is that sentence is "seems"; which shows you don't know what I'm basing my beliefs on and are having to make an assumption I'm sorry - missed the part where I said they must show the evidence to the public. When the Government spends hundreds of billions of dollars, and all they capture is 1 dude who is unrelated to 9/11, you have to wonder why they would do so. Oil? To cover something up? When they release a report, yet won't show any evidence to back it up, and there are alot of people who are opposing the Governments story and saying it's false, then yeah, there is something not right there. Who knows, maybe it was a missile from North Korea or the like. America wouldn't be in a hurry to go attack a country who'll happily nuke the fuck out of it. Easier option, blame a terrorist group who don't have anywhere near the resistance or fire-power. Maybe you should look up the definition of IQ. It has nothing to do with common sense, morality or ignorance. Furthermore, morality has nothing to do in a debate of conspiracy/no conspiracy, as it's a matter of opinions.
Yes the jfk conspiracy has definately been debunked. This is why the government has decided to keep all of the house select committees info locked up until the year 2029 and this is why the house select committee said that oswald probably didnt act alone and that there was probably a second shooter. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL The government has people till this day trying to prove that oswald acted alone. The magic bullet theory is a laugher. I would rather believe in expert(colonel fletcher prouty) who was the head of weapons procurment for black ops than these government hired quacks any day of the week.
Have you told AGS that? Since he thinks Bush is an Illuminati, I think he would find it interesting that Bush and sKerry are 16th cousins (once removed a few times)....you know, AGS is probably kin as well...thats how he knows they are illuminati.
A country's public debt is usually compared with the country's GDP when we want to measure the burden, so it's not irrelevant. Isn't it the opposite? A weak dollar is a cheap dollar. Doesn't it gets cheaper to buy products outside US? Doesn't it get cheaper to import stuff when the currency is strong? Isn't the trade deficit telling us what the import/export relation have been, not what the import will be? But isn't it more fair to judge the debt against the GDP, in order to get a hint about the burden it is for the country? Also, is it really wise to to mention how much the debt is per citizen instead of how much each debt a citizen have in relation to GDP per capita? What about the "irrelevant" mentioning of debt in relation to GDP at the end of the article? I would like to see a little more well calculated analysis than this. Well basically, when we talked about Al Qaidas activity in Australia, it seemed to me that you thought it was at least a little bit made up, so I took Al Qaida as an example. No more harm than other radicals? Well, thanks to anti-terrorist laws and hunt-down in Afghanistan, intelligence concentration on them, they haven't been successful in their latest operations, like the prevented liquid bomb plot in London for example. You don't see much of them nowadays, since governments around the world are actively fighting them in the war on terror. Save lives on people? You mean like the bodies that they've found in Pentagon and were DNA tracked to the passangers of Flight 77. And, where could the plane have disappeared if it was traced to Pentagon? Yes, they've had a good relationship. Bush have considered the Kyoto protocol as unrealistic and that it would hurt the US economy. However, US have made progress in research for alternative fuels. That's very likely to happen if a democratic president wins the election. Well, why can't you explain your believes then? You said it clearly in the post I linked to, have you changed your mind? You never said 'must', but in a number of posts, you asked why is the government hiding the evidence and later you said that they stole it. I explained both claims. I think you underestimate the worlds most hunted dude that could very well be safe from US forces in Pakistan. And I also think you underestimate the number of guys that have been captured, wouldn't it be stupid if Guantanamo was for just one person? Also, which dude do you mean? Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? Which report and which evidence are you referring to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum That's impossible, North Korea had no capabilities of firing a missile on Pentagon at that time. They can't even reach Hawaii, they tested for a couple of months ago and it landed in the Japanese sea. Already know the definition, remember that it have nothing to do with your IQ, it's just common that Gtech&Perry call truthers in US for young angry white males with low IQs(or IQs in the mid-80:ies) and I just found it funny.
Bush is only a low key player in the Illuminati network mate, there are many more above him. Even though he is President of the United States of America he is still pretty much a puppet in the grander scheme of things. You need to download some of David Ickes speeches via a torrent site or watch on Google Vid mate, he goes into great detail into how the Illuminati operate and how such a thick fucking cunt like George Dubya Bush managed to make it to being President. Crazy Rob being the sharp Mod he is will probably pick me up on my use of the C word (or GTech, d16man or numerous other sheeple will report it lol) and when it comes to Bush it is well worth the infraction point.
Have we mentioned our IQ scores? I don't think so. However, I don't take such challenge with people I don't know. Take that as a sign on whatever you want.
you and your illuminati worship....its hilarious...btw, I have never reported you for using the "c" word...but I do know that from what I have heard rob doesn't like it...