Most 'body builders' on fighting shows are not true fighters, it's skill over power in those events, horrible comparison. You put up no facts, you placed a video from one guy who even says he is telling you believe him over every publication out there. You do realize Protein is made up of amino's don't you? It would be VERY difficult to get enough amino's apart from the protein sources I currently consume. There is no way to know of this one individual guy unless he changed his diet to include mass amounts of protein above his diet now and see what the result was. He surely does not appear strong to me, he actually looks like a pipsqueak in my eyes. When you have some actual facts I'll be glad to look at them. Amino acids however is what protein is made up of, you do need to break down the protein to get the amino's, protein is however a standard source of the amounts of amino's someone who is lifting weights needs. BTW '185' benching '270' with a 'gut hanging out' really doesn't add up, but I'll leave that alone
Yes and most high school lifters have horrible form, having spotters yanking the bar and are not lifting a true 'max' of what they claim. I have watched enough high schoolers to know that is true. Some high schoolers can lift over 400, that is true, most however who claim they can in fact can not.
Thanks for the share. As I vegan, I always make sure I get enough protein from beans, nuts, etc., but I found this very interesting. What he says about amino acids are true, but a lot of what he says is confusing and indirect. Can someone please explain what he is talking about when he says we need to cook food and blood before looking at it under a microscope? You can easily break down many foods by just adding specific chemicals and centrifuging it. It is a very straight forward process that I have done many times. I feel like he might be trying to confuse his audience into believing him. Unfortunately, something many people do. In the end though, I am not sure. I need more information.
I just made a thread educating some people about that fact. Too much meat head mentally. Was Bruce Lee a pipsqueak in your eyes also? I assume you read most of the thread so you've already looked at them. Lemme set the scene, I'm about 5'10", not that tall, so for 185 it's possible to be strong and have a gut at the same time. I think the point you're missing, which I'll just tell you now so this doesn't drag out.. Raw foods contain a lot of amino acids.. the stuff your body needs, and it doesn't need broken down. What isn't understood?
LOL, that was kind of my point. Someone using the 'myth of protein' linking to a vid to support his stance but the guy even says something about I believe testing 'rice protein' Plus putting on 5-6 pounds of muscle in less than a month, something tells me the guy is on a little something more than protein
The original purpose of this thread was to prove you don't need meat to stay alive or even be strong.
Who said you did? The point I've been trying to make is that, if you want to build and maintain a decent amount of muscle, protein is really essential.
Ahh so instead of debating the facts posted, you attempt to change it to a 'meat head mentally' I think you meant 'mentality' When talking about protein and the fact that it's brought up mostly do to with muscle/strength and YOU claim I think I am far within my right to dispute your 'meat head mentality' and state the truth, to me he looks like a pipsqueak. Bruce Lee was a martial artist, not a body builder, weight lifter, and yeah he actually looks pretty fng scrawny to me. Not much of any real facts from what I read. Oh it's possible, but 185 isn't that much weight, especially with a gut, most guys at 185 with a gut are lucky to lift in the lower 200's. Again you do understand protein is made up of amino acids, for someone who lifts hardcore it would be extremely hard to get enough 'amino acids' naturally via normal food w/o the protein as well. Got a graph that shows the amount of amino acids that are in food that actually are not accounted as protein btw? Since you are so certain of this? I guess the doctors, the sports professionals, the top weight lifters are all wrong. Good to know.
No you do not need meat, meat proteins however can make it much easier.. Most vegan type lifters also substantially rely on supplements, most vegans 'from what I have read' on actual vegan sites, medical sites, etc also required supplementation that meat eaters do not. Hell you could live on grass I'm sure if you had enough supplements to go along with it.
I guess so, if you're lifting hardcore, sure take the protein. You do understand that protein needs broken down correct? Like I said to the other fellow, you don't need to be 300 lbs to be strong. If you go back yearrrrs ago, people weren't as thick as they are now, they're not supposed to be like that. It's an ill MENTALITY and you'll pay for it in your nursing home.
You have yet to state you understand protein is made up of amino acids. 'unless I missed it' Of course, most food sources including protein based needs to be broken down. Last I heard it's a good thing for the metabolism for your body to work for things Ahh strong guys were very big years ago, not steroid induced, but very big still. I'm 6'3" with a very big frame. At a normal cut down weight without lifting much I'd be 220's at the lowest, so 300 to me isn't that much more. Yeah athletes are not meant to be strong and fast, they have to work for it. Your point is? It is nothing to do with 'mentality' it has to do with it's my hobby, I am in the best shape of my life, and I look GREAT! I'll pay for it it how exactly?
You girls can decide to not eat meat if you want. I'll continue to down 200 grams of protein a day and bench 315 for reps. Thanks.
Oh please, am I GTech? It doesn't appear to be doing any good repeating my point, people like yourself will never figure it out. Keep eating it dude, I really don't care. Do I care? No, you can do what you want and I won't lose any sleep over it. Eat your meat and potatoes and please the meat and dairy industry. Fluoride is good too, I hear it strengthens the teeth. I actually encourage you do to that. In fact I realize now I was wrong the whole time.
My point in asking was you kept bringing up amino acids, in such a way that surely appeared you were trying to seperate amino's from protein, far more than the body needing to break them down. Ahh because from experience, medical history, professionals, your 'point' is wrong. I don't care if you care or not I will eat meat, plenty of it in fact. I will use whey proteins and other dairy. I have no problem with the dairy industry, my family was originally 'grand parents' farmers on both sides. 'Meat and dairy' does not scare me one bit. I eat meat to please my appetite and my muscles I do not eat potatoes much, yams on the other hand I will continue to eat. I also eat mass amounts of beans, guess I'm doing that to please the vegans Flouride I am not afraid of, I use it daily, so does my son I'm glad you did, reality is not that scary
Oh... I think this was supposed to be posted on the Politics and Religion form with the type of debate going on. The only problem with weight lifting and not eating meat is that many men eat too much soy which can have the same sexual dysfunctions that steroids lead to. Just be sure to not eat more than one pound of protein per day and get enough nuts and other types of beans (those without estrogen-mimicking hormones).