The Palestinian Israeli conflict in 9 words

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by imad, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. imad

    imad Peon

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    #61
    this somehow gets us back to the topic, after it touched many other unrelated topics, you put in bold the part "Chunks of flesh of Jews" and I wonder why?

    are you saying, Jews stole the land, because Hamas after like 60 years will have this on it's TV?

    or are you saying Hamas members whom are Palestinians, and Palestinians in general been always like that show in that TV?

    or are you saying Hamas have this show on TV because Jews stole the land?

    it gets us back to Matt Giwer's summary for the whole conflict:

    Jews stole the land.
    The owners want it back.


    I see in this a try to find an excuse for the Israeli continuous crimes, if you remember in mid 90's when Israel withdraw from Gaza under Gaza-Jericho agreement, Gazzan people gave roses to Israeli soldiers while they were pulling out, in a clear sign, that they do not hold hard feelings against Jews because they are Jews as you try to mislead people into thinking, but they hold very very hard feelings against oppressors & occupiers whom happened to be Jews, since the Zionists promote occupied Palestine as "Jewish" when Jews did not make except a tiny percentage before Zionists name the country they wanted to steal, and start to send concentrated waves of illegal Jewish immigrants to it.
     
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  2. ChaosTrivia

    ChaosTrivia Active Member

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    #62
    Imad I was just showing the barbaric song to the westerns. I know that you find the song to be of a refined taste, very nice and very cultural, this is exactly your problem :)

    1) I was only pointing out that Hamas is against "Jews", not against "Israelis". It seems that you too can not tell the difference between the two words. I don't know it is your religion or your inferior education which is to blame for it.
    2) I don't remember Israelis receiving roses from Gazans in the 90's, you have a reference? on the other hand, I remember Israelis receiving flowers and rise and candies in the liberation of the Palestinians from the Jordanian occupation, in 1967.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtovREv8Ruw
    Go to 4:45 and tell me what you think about what she is saying there (skip the women stuff).
    Because when I heared what she said there, I thought about you.
     
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  3. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #63
    As an outsider (an American who doesn't follow the conflict much) looking in. It's pretty clear that no matter who stole what, Israel is there now and have a mighty enough military and international support that no matter what they do, the Palestinians are not getting it back.

    So... why so serious?

    You should also change your quote to read: "the original owners want it back." If you were the owners you'd be there, you know, owning it. I'm sure the original owners of North America would like it back as well. But people lost in a desert want ice water too..
     
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  4. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #64
    Weird answer, it is incorrect on too many levels, maybe if you get educated you might find some truth.

    P.S. You can't get educated from clerics who hate other people groups, they tend to be quite biased.
     
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  5. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #65
    ? another weird answer that doesn't answer the question. The USA is not a religion or even represents any particular religion. Try again....


     
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  6. Polite teen

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    #66
    This woman (Wafa Sultan) is supposing that Arab culture was perfect, but Mohammad is the one who caused it to be bad, so let us examine her claim.

    In the teaching of Mohammad, the woman is considered as valuable human being must be protected.

    They are considered as glory of the family as long as they are noble and keeping themselves up away from adultery and its way.

    Their cover is a protection for them.

    They are not supposed to cover their faces and their hands, but they are supposed to cover their body.

    This is not a matter of disrespect, it is a matter of Honer and protection.

    In the Arab culture before prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, women were considered as shameful materials,
    they were either buried under ground while they are little or married off to whom her family want against her will so that the family will be free from such shame in their home,
    and when her husband dies, she is inherited along with his money.

    And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! (58)

    He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonour or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision. (59)


    Some Arab apply Islam against their culture, and some still practicing the wrong side in their culture eventhough they are muslims (i.e. they are supposed to put Islam over their culture and all consideration). and so is the case with many muslims of all races, even my own people.

    Just because some people are muslims doesn't mean that their act is Islamic.

    The problem of women in the Arab countries is related to their culture, not to Islam as this ignorant woman saying.

    For example, in Islam, women are allowed to drive a car or a camel as men, but in Saudi Arabia, women are forbidden from driving a car. It is a cultural problem.

    To be continued by God's will.
     
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  7. new

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    #67
    so what's your point?
    US does represent neconism and zionism
    it is the ideology that matters, it does not necessarily needs to be religious


    @GeorgeB

    All it takes is Faith and Trust
    Also, being a Amercian you are not outsider, as you are part of the conflict with your support of isreal
     
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  8. rexertea

    rexertea Well-Known Member

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    #68
    The fight between Jews and Palestine will never end.
     
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  9. debunked

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    #69
    Well, I will say it again: when all of Israel's enemies come against her, you watch.... they will fail. And it won't be because of the USA. The hatred of the Jew has been alive for thousands of years. The hatred from the bloodline of Abraham's maid will continue for many more years. There has only been one who can bring peace in the heart and this is one person at a time, not nations.
     
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    #70
    now that is a bit too much far-fetched but I can understand what you want to say
    "they will fail because we are the chosen ones" :rolleyes:
     
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  11. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #71
    Everyone that says something good about Israel is a Jew?

    That is a new one to me....

    Actually, by birth I have no Jewish roots as deep as I have seen, more German than any other race as a whole, but a mutt nevertheless.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #72
    The same thing happens if you disagree with Obama. You get labeled a racist. The the collection of world wide ignorance that abounds on this forum is astounding.
     
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  13. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #73
    Did you see that Jimmy Carter is covering that one today - he says that most of those who disagree with the big O are racist. Why do these fools keep adding race to everything Obama?
     
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  14. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #74
    Because that's what real racists do. They seek to divide. They seek to bring us back to segregation. They seek to tear down all that we have built.

    I really would have hoped that having someone of (partial race) or background in the White House would have finally put an end to this bull shit. Unfortunately it has brought the true dividers and racists out of the closet.

    I suppose if Swift would have done the same to Kayne, she would have been called a RACIST.

    I suppose if that line Judge had done the same to Williams, she would have been called a RACIST.

    When is this bull shit gonna stop? When are people gonna realize that no one gives a shit what color you are; they just disagree.

    Truth be told the same people that have sought to keep blacks, Indians and Irish out of their place of habit are the same that call you and me racist.

    I really wonder if any of these arseholes really have any social contact with people of other races? Family members, friends, etc?
     
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  15. northpointaiki

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    #75
    Not all who disagree with Obama are racists, obviously.

    Not all who disagree with Obama are not racists, either, just as obviously.

    Easy enough to lump "them" all "racists," or all "not racists."

    The funny thing is, it's become quite p.c. in certain quarters, when you have a bona fide instance of racism, to bring out the "racism is impossible card," saying in effect "oh, sure - [I've got a serious issue with folks of another race], but you're bringing up the race card again...retart!"

    Some folks' racism is made evident by their behavior and thoughts, as publically promulgated. If always ascribing disagreements with another, who happens to be of another race, to racism is bullshit, it is equally bullshit to say "no matter what I say, it isn't racism."

    Sometimes, it just is.
     
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  16. ThraXed

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    #76
    No Mia, you get labelled a racist not because you hate Obama but because of your slanderous comments about black people...surprised you haven't figured that out yet.
     
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  17. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #77

    I hate one thing and one thing only. I've made it clear hear for more than a decade what it is that I hate.

    I hate fat chics in spandex. That's it.

    Now please provide an example to back up your ludicrous claims? Show me where I have made slanderous comments about blacks?

    I'm waiting.
     
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  18. debunked

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    #78
    Something tells me that Thrax doesn't know that people are actually all part of the human race no matter what color or shades of color their skin is.
     
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