The PageRank-SERPs Link

Discussion in 'Google' started by Jim4767, Aug 11, 2007.

  1. #1
    "PageRank Technology: ... Pages that Google believes are important pages receive a higher PageRank and are more likely to appear at the top of the search results. PageRank also considers the importance of each page that casts a vote, as votes from some pages are considered to have greater value, thus giving the linked page greater value. Important pages receive a higher PageRank and appear at the top of the search results” (©2007 Google) — (http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html)

    I’ve read hundreds of posts on DP asserting that there is little or no link between PageRank and search engine results (SERPs). How can that be so, when Google plainly states that pages with a higher PageRank appear at the top of the search results?

    I know that there are individual, anecdotal cases of low-PR sites outranking high-PR sites. We don't know what other variables may have affected those rankings. However, it seems that Google's self-declared, prevailing rule is: higher PR —> higher in the SERPs.
     
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  2. Mookie

    Mookie Banned

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    I guess people saying that Pr has no effect is relating in terms of other Search engines rankings. Like for instance regardless of your PR your going to rank differently in yahoo.
     
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    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    I haven't seen this before. Thanks for pointing this out. I've wondered about it myself.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    For christ sake jim, Go and do a search, Any search. You will see with your own two eyes that sites with higher PR do NOT nessesarily appear higher in the SERPS.
     
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  5. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Exactly what I said (minus the cussing), stOx, in my final paragraph. There are lots of anecdotal cases of low-PR sites outranking high-PR ones. That does not negate the fact that, other factors being equal, high-PR sites will consistently outrank lower-PR ones.
     
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    Trapped Well-Known Member

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    SEO is NOT PageRank, PageRank is NOT SEO etc etc etc, therefor a SEO Optimized site or even page is more likely to rank higher in the SERPs for a give keyword. If you have time, take two domains, one with PR and another one without or with lower PR, optimize them for search engines the same exact way, wait for the update...and see which site will rank higher in the SERPs.
     
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    higher page rank mean that page is more trusted by google and will be frequently visited by googlebot.

    search result are generated using "Content relevant algorithm";

    but when there are more than one page with same level of content relevant high page rank page will be listed higher in the search result as they vote from more trusted websites. (page rank is not always the one that is displayed in the toolbar; but rather the page rank in google back-end)

    hope this helps.

    thanks
     
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    Google uses internal pagerank to rank pages not tool bar page rank.
     
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    Is that why you haven't done a thread about H tags? All things being equal a site with the key-phrase in a H tag will outrank a site without. Same goes for bolding, Italics, Titles and about 200 other things. You wouldn't so blindly fight for the cause of bolding if someone said it wasn't important.

    The reason for this thread was to perpetuate the myth that PR is important, And it simply isn't true. PR is one factor in a list of over 200 factors. And that is real PR, Toolbar PR isn't used anywhere, At all, Ever in the google algo.
     
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  10. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Of course. Any good webmaster knows and applies all these and more positive aspects of SEO. No argument there. The quality-link-building that results in good PR is one of those factors, and I try to apply them all.
     
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    If Google considers 500 million variables you would think they rely somewhat heavily on it?

    "PageRank reflects Google's view of the importance of web pages by considering more than 500 million variables and 2 billion terms."

    (http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html)
     
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    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Either way, you seem to be agreeing that PR (whether it's internal or toolbar) is a factor in ranking pages. I agree.
     
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    But that is another myth. PR isn't a result of "quality" link building. It's a result of the PR of the page on which the link is located.

    The important factors of backlinks are anchor text and authority. PR takes neither of these in to account.
     
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    Base on experience, There is a link between PR and SERPs. High PR means Google visit your website much faster than other site. But not all the times because this only applies to sites with solid PageRank. When I talk about "solid" it means that the PageRank is not fake, and have quality backlinks linking to the site. Check the link popularity of the site and examine on the quality of the backlinks.

    How to determine the quality of the PageRank? Just use this code in Google Search cache:www.website.com
    You will noticed that the site with solid PR has been cached faster than other sites. ;)

    *replace www.website.com by your site URL.

    Not all sites with high PR passes PR juice. It's all about the quality of the PageRank if it's solid or not.
     
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    On page factors like bolding, italics, titles, h tags, alt tags etc. can help serp rankings.
     
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    What are you talking about? PR is PR, It's a number. There is no "quality" and there is no solidity. 5 is 5 and 3.7 is 3.7

    The PR formula can be found here
     
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    Sites selling links can have their ability to pass pr blocked.
     
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    Says who?..
     
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    Matt Cutts has discussed that pages and sites caught selling links for manipulative purposes may have their ability to pass PageRank removed.
     
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    Well, PR is no longer calculated by that formula only any more. You need to update your pagerank info. That was long time ago.

    Google even can decide to let PR points pass or not on certain websites (not in its algorithm yet as far as I know).

    PageRank is one of small ranking factors.
    But it doesn't always reflect directly to the position in the SERP.

    Generally though, if your competitors are heavily promoting with the same keyword of yours, having a high PR helps a lot. But like someone said, quality backlinks have more direct impact to the ranking.
     
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