The nonbinding Senate resolution adopted last week calls for Iraq to be divided into

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  1. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #21
    There are a lot of Kurds and they can help the US

    (in millions)
    Turkey 19.0
    Iran 8.4
    Iraq (Kurdistan) 5.6
    Syria 1.6
    Others 0.47
    Total #
    Of Kurds 35.1
     
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  2. judetheobscure

    judetheobscure Peon

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    #22
    perhaps it would have been wiser to rephrase what you just said to read 'the kurds and the US can help each other'. for each side has its own very seperate agenda. the kurds want autonomy within the regions they live in as an indigenous people, and the US/ most western countries want a foot in the door in the oil rich middle east. but whereas iran and syria are enemies of the US/west, turkey is an ally, which throws a spanner in the works.
    for many years the US/west have turned a blind eye to the turkish military interference in kurdish affairs, with countless villages bulldozed or burnt saddam style, and various attempts at ethnic cleansing. in fact it was only a few years ago that it was made legal for kurds to speak kurdish in turkey, before that they could be imprisoned for speaking their mother tongue. and the US/west were quick to back the imprisoning of abdullah ocalan, leader of the kurdish resistance to turkish interference, and to label those kurds fighting for their rights in turkey as 'terrorists'.
     
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  3. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #23
    Just having to think about a Kurdish homeland will make Turkey think twice about the direction they are heading
     
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  4. LeoSeo

    LeoSeo Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Very much nonsense, noone gets or got imprisoned just for talking Kurdish (1980 military coup is an exception). And if you call the terrorists "freedom fighter of their rights" you'd agree the same with 9/11 dudes, they didn't suicide for fun they were looking for justice right? or any hypocracy?

    Do you know what happened when US first used the Nothern Iraq Kurds(like now) and then abandoned them in the first Gulf war? Do you know who saved the half million Northern Iraq Kurds who were running from Saddam's massacre and took care of them? Who cleaned up US mess just for the sake of those they abandoned? Do you know that no more than %30 percent of the Turkish-Kurds support the Kurdish Nationalist party and the major party among them is the party which is currently in charge of the government so simply the seperation issue is an oil-profit based west propaganda?

    Things are not so simple. You can't get to such big conclusions reading 2 news+2 comments so easy.

    If Iraq divides into pieces, Mosoul and Kirkuk becomes Turkish property according to Ankara Treaty signed on June 25, 1926 among Turkish Republic, Brits and local Iraqis. And don't forget the Turkomans of Northern Iraq, if every one with different color gets a piece of soil, they will be the first to appear.
     
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  5. Pauline

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    #25
    This is the best solution that has the most promise of working out I've heard. (My grammar isn't working right now, but you get what I meant!)
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #26
    sadly, non-binding resolutions are the only thing that the democrats can get done...why not support the troops so we can get out of there quicker?
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #27
    I would think that the Biden perspective and this amendment are more reflective of where the country is headed and more reflective of what the population would want...then trying to install American will.
     
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    #28
    are you then denying the human rights abuses by the turkish military against the kurds in turkey as catalogued by amnesty international, or the fact that journalists and writers who have spoken out against turkey's denial of the massacre of over a million armenians by turkey under the leadership of attaturk last century have been threatened and harrassed by the authorities. i know for a fact that not so many years ago kurds were not allowed to speak their mother tongue, you state 1980, but for how many years was it disallowed before that, and it is still not allowed in written form in kurdish schools, i have spoken to many who fled turkey to seek asylum in britain, and the tell horrific tales including the torture of women and children in front of their fathers or husbands in order to obtain information about the PKK.
    and as for comparing those kurds fighting for autonomy with the terrorists of 9/11, that is nonsense,those terrorists were not on their own territory fighting in self defence against a military might that could crush them without trace.
     
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  9. LeoSeo

    LeoSeo Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Firstly Armenian issue is a concern of before Turkish Republic(1923) and nothing to do with Turkey's founder Kemal Ataturk, i won't go in detail as it is not the subject. You need more knowledge to speak out on these issues. About the language thing, Turkish is the official language in schools. In America do you have courses for your Afro-American citizens to teach their own language, or has there ever been? No. But in Turkey it is allowed to have private courses, TV & radio broadcasts in other languages including Kurdish. Ok you want to have a colony state for the oil-proift under the name "ally", but you can be at least honest about it instead of playing the human rights card which is ironic for you to speak on that terms anyway. The US supported PKK(and PJAK) terrorism caused over 30,000 civillian deaths and PKK is one of the top 5 suicide bombers of the world, if this is what you call freedom fight then you name the rest of the list on the same direction, including those against the US. If US disregards a 60 years of close alliance with Turkey and goes on provoking regional terrorism, it will not be some little Arab emirate they will be dealing with. Every coin has 2 sides, every action has consequences.
     
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