The New SAFARI for WINDOWS! Firefox 3 and IE8 killer!!!

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  1. rigg419

    rigg419 Peon

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    #41
    I don't understand why anyone on Windows would use Safari. I hardly understand why anyone on OSX would use it, but at least it's bundled with that OS.

    It's certainly no better than Firefox, IE or even Opera for that matter.
    I thought they were porting it for iPhone developers, but apparently they're going to try and get some browser share, cause they're pushing the 'update' via Apple software update.

    I'm no fanboy, but if MS tried to bundle their browser with Office for OSX, the courts would freak out.
     
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    #42
    im installing k-meleon hopefully its as good as you say
     
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  3. fasttrack

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    #43
    Is this new I have had safari for windows for a couple months
     
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  4. cdotech

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    #44
    I have just installed it..
    Other than firefox, I use safari for windows as my alternative browser.
     
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    Dreads Well-Known Member

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    #45
    K-m is good but firefox is the best with all its addons..
    sorry but i personally dont like (red) apples.. more of a green apple fan :p
     
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    #46
    Going to have to try k-m.. As for Safari - I dont think so!
     
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    #47
    The only people who use I.E. must be... like... Dr. Rockso the Rock and Roll Clown.

    "I'm Dr. Rockso - and I do C-C-C-C-COCAINE!"
     
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  8. Yankee85

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    #48
    Damn, I can't give you reputation right now :D
     
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    #49
    nothing beats firefox:p
     
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    #50
    Safari is only good more iphone, I don't care much for it to be on my computer. Firefox is king of browsers, accept it.
     
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    #51
    I guess I'd stick to FF :)
     
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    #52
    Use opera, its the only real browser out there.
     
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    #53
    After all the hype I've heard from Mac users about how great Safari is, I was pretty exited to see it released for windows. After 5 minutes of surfing around on it, all I could do was scratch my head and wonder why anyone would brag about something that's really just a basic no frills browser.

    I don't see anything bad about Safari, but there's really nothing all that great about it either. I know that Apple claims Safari can render pages faster than FF and IE, but I really don't see any big difference in speed. Maybe it's because I'm running FF on a fast machine with plenty of memory. I suspect it's all a marketing ploy from Apple. They run some benchmark tests that show Safari can squeeze out a page a microsecond faster than IE and FF and then make a big to do about it. The average human can never tell the difference, but that doesn't matter because it sounds better to say you've got the fastest browser. Graphics card makers have been doing this for years.

    I'll keep Safari around for testing purposes, but Firefox is still my main browser.
     
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    #54
    I'm a mac user and I don't think that Safari is that good. I am using Firefox :).
     
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    #55
    Just tried it, but I love FF. Not yet tried IE8, though.
     
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  16. deathshadow

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    #56
    That too has been my take of Safari all along - So far as the browser itself goes, it's like a trip in the wayback machine with Mr. Peabody to IE1.

    But you have to look at what the 'standard' mac browser was BEFORE Safari - that being IE 5.2, a nearly gutted fork of IE that frankly, didn't do any of the stuff PC users had come to expect from a 'modern' browser a decade ago. It just brings less to the table... Ooh look, it has forward/back buttons and a bookmarks menu. Impressive.

    It is that very simplicity though and LACK of features that makes it perfect for apple users. As someone who worked for four years as a apple service tech shortly before OSX was introduced, I learned a very important lesson about Apple users.

    They don't want features. Features 'confuse' them. You combine this with their habits of praising the hardware no matter how rinky and poorly made it is, following everything Apple like it was the second coming and getting their panties in a twist even if you praise the product overall but point out one or two flaws, you can understand why the majority of them get the bad reputation of being hippie-wannabe slackers driving their Prius to the local Ikea store... The reality though is worse, since there's a term for the new crop of Apple fans - a term that's thankfully been out of the lexicon for two decades. Yes, I mean Yuppies.

    You see browser makers running their mouths about render speed when frankly, it's bullshit. ALL of it. If a 386/40 with 8 megs of RAM running windows 3.1 and IE4 on a EGA card can render a HTML table as fast as you can send it the data, talking about rendering speed on todays multi-ghz computers is utter and total CRAP.

    Besides, one look at their numbers shows that they have to be 'card stacking' their results given that generally Opera is faster than FF or IE on page loads/renders, yet they show it in last place - Something's rotten in Cupertino.

    Honestly - Webkit, the fork of KHTML that powers Safari IS an impressive bit of software, but so long as the browsers that are powered by it are rinky tinker-toys providing little more than the basic functionality of browsers from a decade and a half ago, it just won't make serious inroads on the windows platform.

    It's enough to make me wish that Epiphany's april fools joke wasn't a joke. It would be interesting to see what a project like Firefox could do wrapping Webkit instead of gecko. (though please, anyone actually does this PLEASE, for the love of god pull webkit's head out of it's ass about form elements and just make them behave as normal block-level containers!)
     
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  17. NazStory

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    #57
    SAFARI = dumbshit

    FIREFOX = RULES


    *firefox users may +Rep me. :D
     
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    #58
    Real statistics sais all :D

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    #59
    Firefox and its plugins. I can't stop loving it! It's like you can evolve your browser at every use!
     
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  20. blueparukia

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    #60
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    Ummm......you should have been dealing with at least 5, perhaps more ever since Safari for Windows first came out last year:

    Opera
    Safari
    Firefox
    IE6
    IE7


    are what you should be testing on, and possibly some KHTML Browser such as Konqueror.

    Webkit is a more than decent rendering engine, and from direct comparison with Gecko, supports more elements (a bit of this is CSS3 though).

    I downloaded WebKit and Gecko yesterday to do something like this, but then....meh....played around in Linux for a bit.
     
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