Well, here's the beauty of it all... You can vote for whoever you want to. But for me, anyone who has invited ANYONE to a party for nigh a hundred years now, and then wants to villify them is a P H O N E Y!!! And when you say "all his staunchest critics" which one of them do you not classify as "phoneys?" I keep hearing you Paul supporters talking about finally a man who speaks his mind, finally a man who speaks the truth... Which of his "staunchest critics" do you honor so much that they sway you to him? I must be stupid - how does that work? Oh, ,by the way, which one of them called him "the most honest politician in Washington?" I'd like to know so I can strike him from my lists too. The Song Remains the Same.
Your song and story is getting old. Please post some facts. So far not one bit of factual evidence coming from you. the only ones who have changed their views on anything are bush, hillary and obama. please save the bs with no facts for someone who is . Now instead of more bs coming from you, please tell me who ur candidate is? who are u voting for??????
Heven't made my mind up quite yet, but so far I like Richardson. As for facts, check out the Texas Comptroller report on the financial impact of illegal aliens on her state. Much to her surprise she discovered the effect was a 18 Billion dollar surplus. Again, a sane Guest Worker program, wherein deductions from each paycheck would go to the local and state government for the services rendered would eliviate the local impact while only heightening the overall state-wide impact. The numbers are there... Now ask yourself: What Would McCarthy Do?
The irony here is that the poster doesn't even know that Dr. Paul stands up for the immigrants, and says they are the scapegoats for broken government and bad policy. But I have a feeling that our "guest" is just looking for a fight, and opportunities to draw attention to himself.
Yea, I'm putting him on ignore. I feel bad that some people who would be receptive to Paul's message will never like him because they don't open themselves up to properly learn his stances, but you can't win them all. Coming right out of the gate trolling away about being a phony without really giving any reason for your beliefs is a great way to make friends on this board.
http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/donors.html It appears New Hampshire has taken over as #1, with over 500 donors per million in population. In any case, this is not a complete or entirely accurate set of data, as the site cannot capture every donation and its location, particularly during high traffic money bombs. But it gives a good general idea of where the hardcore support is.
I've already "speculated" on this before. I believe the reason he is at the bottom of the polls is simple, really. Ron Paul is not really a "republican" and from what I've seen (even right here on this forum), he's attracting an enormous amount of "liberal/progressive" support. So it makes sense that when pollsters call on "the real base" that RP has very little "republican" support. Now, if pollsters were to call liberals, his numbers would be quite higher. That's really the only "justification" I can come up with. Look at all the people here, who are virulent liberals, that have switched to the republican party to vote for a libertarian. The only two people here I've seen who I would not think are "liberal" are Rebecca and Nate. A simple question: How many "troofers" here (and we've had a lot of them) are NOT voting for Ron Paul? Anyway, now that I've answered that, on to the good stuff! Congratulations! I would be remiss if I didn't say this is an absolutely remarkable feat! Not only is it remarkable, but I also read that the average donation was about $50.00. Very impressive!
Yeah I'm real liberal myself.. Ohyeah I forgot if you're against the war in Iraq you can not be a republican.
Dead Corn, I like what you posted over in my thread (about Christian Responsibility), but then I come over here and see you getting a little carried away in a thread that is meant to be a positive thing for RP supporters. I don't understand... why don't you just make a positive thread for the things that you stand for? Most of the people watching this thread have probably already been through all these points that you're trying to make and done their own deep research. I don't think you're going to make much impact other then making yourself look bad... trust me... I've done that before, until I started thinking for myself. You may find yourself embarrassed, but I hope you feel welcome to come back and apologize like I did. Some very kind and forgiving people here. Good Luck
GTech, you sure do love to put the liberal label on everything. Let's take a look at some of my personal stances. Abortion: Against Civil Rights: For (Can the PATRIOT Act, restore habeas corpus, shut down Gitmo, etc) Death Penalty: Against War on Drugs: Against Gun Control: Against Immigration: Against (No amnesty, no rewards, tighter borders) Income Tax: Against (Fairtax is nice, no tax is better) Iraq War: Against Stem Cell Research: Mixed (For it, but not with public money) Trade: Completely free. Government Growth: Against (SHRINK THAT BITCH) Explain to me how that's liberal? Sure maybe I'm on the liberal side of the death penalty and a few other things, but let me help you put a new label in your vocabulary: libertarian. It's kinda like a liberal but doesn't leave that nasty taste in your mouth, it's genuinely good for you. When you realize politics is not about the letter after someone's name, you'll be a lot more open to opposing ideas.
Why can't we all let Gtech live happily in his own little bubble? Nobody seems to get through to him. He has a label and an explanation for everything that is not up to par with HIS "version" of things. I've already said in the past that he thrives on attention that he stirs up through nonsense. I really think he is like a male version of Anne Coulter.
Obviously you haven't done a search for "neocon" in the P&R section. You, yourself, said before RP, you leaned liberal. I'm happy if you need to change your views to match RP's. I think that's noble. I've seen a lot here do the same thing. What's really funny is, all the liberal/progressives here who have suddenly found "conservativsm" from the republican party. Yet when there is anything in the news, they are the first ones to come rushing into the forum to post about how bad the "republicans" are, and the first to defend democrats when they've screwed up. It truly is a marvel to watch
Notice how when gtech cant attack Ron Paul and the truth anymore , hes back to attacking liberals. Well i have never been a liberal in my life and i still support Ron Paul. Remember RP is also pro life as he has delivered many babies . The fact that these people here are starting to attack RP on the basis of no facts at all means he is growing in popularity even more than we thought. The Ron Paul Train of Truth is coming to a state near you. I love it!!!
That is true, that I said it myself that I leaned liberal. This is because I felt they were slightly better at protecting civil rights, which is my biggest issue. I was completely oblivious to economics and concepts like federalism, and had never really had conservatism and limited government properly explained to me. I also had never heard a decent rebuttal for things like universal healthcare, welfare, etc. It's fairly well known that most college aged students lean liberal because they want to take care of the world, it's idealism until they realize that you can't fix everything. How's that phrase go? "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." I've traditionally liked third party candidates in my limited political experience, but had frustration towards our duopoly system. It was the classic lesser of two evils that lead me to like Kerry/Gore; I REALLY don't like Bush. I would say the way I leaned liberal was a lot like the way you voted for Clinton; we had no idea what we believed until we really got involved into politics. I don't knock you for voting for Clinton in the past, or use it to defame you in the present. People change. Their thinking changes. I'll attack your current beliefs on their merits, but I've never used your past as a tool of argument, because it's simply irrelevant. I don't see why you need to use my past against me. Most of my beliefs 5 years ago are the same as they are now, I just know where I stand as I've educated myself, and it's in line with Dr. Paul. Many Americans across the country are doing the same, party lines are becoming irrelevant as there is a true new political awakening. So lambast me for my beliefs, argue why they're wrong, present a better alternative, but don't ever try and tell me why I have my beliefs. It's deflection at its best, and I know you're better than that.