The Importance of Fresh Content

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  1. Owlcroft

    Owlcroft Peon

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    #21
    Don't hold your breath waiting. In my little sandbox, I can think of several whole sites that are stale, some months stale and not a few that are literally years stale--I don't know why they're still on a server, or who owns those servers--but there they are, sure as sunshine, in the top 10 or 20 for some pretty broad keywords. And yes, they have (1) and (2) and even #3: inbound links. Monkey see, monkey do, and new sites just copy some old ones for an initial links list, and so it goes . . . .
     
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  2. jjdubb

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    #22
    I'm jumping in late here but I have seen some advantages with fresh content. I created I small 30+ page site and I have a rss feed that updates every 60 minutes. The feed displays 5 results, each with a brief description on my index page. The rss feed is about 25% of the text on the index page. That page is too new to display a page rank but it has a frshness date that updates every 2 days or so. Since the Googlebot visits so often I am able to get new keyword content pages added pretty much as soon as I write them.
     
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  3. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #23
    err...

    I'm a little thick here - it has nothing to do with the memory banks but it does have a lot to do with the wine last evening, what a night!!!!!

    what I mean is I really like what you have done, can you tell me/us more because it is a very nice idea
     
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    schlottke Peon

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    #24
    Ive noticed googlebot coming back routinely (every day/every other day) to several of my 'stale' products that only change the date..
     
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  5. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

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    #25
    When you look in the seprs and see the stale pages in the top spots do you see any pages in slightly lower positons that appear to making a "push"? I guess what I'm asking is do you think a webmaster is actively working on a site that can't overtake a stale sight? Can you post an example of a phrase that you searched that shows a stale site in the top 10 - 20?
     
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  6. jjdubb

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    #26
    Foxy are you directing your question to my post?
     
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  7. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #27
    jjdubb

    yes I was

    Sorry to not quote you :eek:
     
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  8. jjdubb

    jjdubb Peon

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    #28
    Basically I setup a page as I always would except for I included a call the a script that displays 5 headlines with a brief desciption. The headlines are realated to the overall page. I feel that the headlines add value for my visitors and help keep the search enigines interested in my page.
     
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  9. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #29
    Nice idea - do you keep the headlines second to your text that repeats the title?

    eg <title>xxxxxx</title>......<body><h1>xxxxxx</h1>text....

    so that the engines keep a consistent placing?
     
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  10. OnSpec

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    #30
    Wow, this can be dizzying for a young Peon. After reading this thread, and just starting to try my first site, my question is..

    Is there any systems that automate this process?

    Thanks
     
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    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

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    #31
    I started a new thread about RSS feeds.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=192
     
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  12. jjdubb

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    #32
    "Nice idea - do you keep the headlines second to your text that repeats the title?
    eg <title>xxxxxx</title>......<body><h1>xxxxxx</h1>text....
    so that the engines keep a consistent placing?"

    I keep my H1 tags and title static and never change it. I put the rss feed headlines under an H3 tag since it is the third headline on the page. I have found that keeping the majority of the page static helps search engines decide what the overall page is supposed to be about.
     
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    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #33
    Thats good

    We concur

    Nice idea :)
     
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    #34
    Sure. The terms are <science fiction fantasy>

    #2 hit (http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf_main.html): "page updated 2000-08-18", and the rest of the site likewise.

    #8 hit (http://www.sfrt.com/): Google-linked page (just a 3-page portal) is date indeterminate; of--so far as I can find--16pages on the site, none "permanent resources", only one is relatively recent (5 weeks since last update), the next-newest is over a year old, and the rest are two to seven years old; all are short, with unimportant content.

    #18 hit (http://hem.passagen.se/gumby/sf/eng/): another undated page, but the site-index page shows a "monthly" feature last updated one year ago, and no site page appears to be any more recent.

    #20 hit:: this is just the actual index page for the #8 hit site.

    (How do so many pages bear no file date? Does their server just not return one in the headers?)

    That omits things like the #17 hit, which is "fresh" in that it shows one's access date/time and carries a brief feed from another (unrelated) site.

    If I'm a user looking for relevant and either permanently useful or reasonably fresh content relating to my search terms, 1 in 5 of the first 20 Google hits are wildly and obviously useless to me.

    (Yahoo is worse, though, including two grossly obvious SE-spam pages in its top 20.)
     
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    #35
    I've noticed that on my wrestling gear site, www.jrwrestling.com/catalog/index.php , that google primarily comes back (and spiders deeper) when I make changes to the sites text. The date stamp doesn't seem to be enough.. What I have begun doing is adding a new content page to the main index...

    Does anyone have any ideas for targeted content though, Im running out of ideas and began making things like this:

    http://www.jrwrestling.com/buy-wrestling-shoes.html
     
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    #36
    schlottke,

    you are very observant! You don't need more content though!

    what the Google crawler is likey looking at is "byte count". Just alter the content frequently forcing the crawler to find various byte counts in his visits.
     
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  18. Owlcroft

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    #38
    I do three things to my pages: I use shtml includes to display a "you loaded this page at" line right above a "it was last modified on" line; the "loaded at" line is, obviously, different each time. I also am using an shtml include to attach a standardized Site Directory to each page bottom, and I have a php routine that automatically rotates on a daily basis between three different get-the-Firefox-browser image links in that universal directory, so each page varies there daily (and is not simply alternating). And I php-"touch" every page daily to keep its file date current.

    I can't say any of that is definitely registering as "new content" (and I do make a fair number of real changes too), but I reckon it can't hurt.
     
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    #39
    Add new page/a lot of page link or content site?
     
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    #40
    Wow, i can't believe you bumped a 1,298 day old thread just to say that. :confused:
     
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