THE IGNORANCE & STUPIDITY of At(heist)s & Ag(nostic)s

Jason, don't keep this thread alive.. PLEASE!

 

Some people just talk to hear their head rattle. The above is a primary example.
This is an example of how "Person" responds to posts of those that he disagrees with. Note the following:
1. Not one iota of anything that concretely (or even remotely)refutes anything that I posted in my response to the post of "mizmoon". Nary one bit of documented sources, refuted anything I stated. . . except his convoluted opinion(s). . .which is not even, in this case, (to use his favorite term) "circular logic".
2. Note all the "maybe's", "could's", etc. Now all this is from 'it' that wanted something, that I had earlier presented, "sourced".
3. Note all the speculation(s) on his part; but when others [Especially with infinitely more CREDIBILITY, than he has shown, in the above] even hint at speculation, the poster reveals his true nature, the spawn of demonic forces.
So what we have here from "Person", is a whole lot of his/her personal opinion and nothing, nothing, nothing else; NO SUBSTANCE, just barely a shadow, especially when you separated from what it is that he/she disagrees with.
This is a primary example of a supposed intelligent person, who has absolutely nothing to say, but says something anyway; a person who obviously didn't take the advice of "allowing people to think him a fool", because he constantly open his mouth, "removing all doubt.

Now allow me to refute 'Person', with real logic and reasoning, what he posted:

JESUS CHRIST
+nothing
=EVERYTHING!​

 

I haven't created anything; and I certainly didn't bring "religion into DP"; I only brought into here, what I care to talk about, dicuss, and maybe even debate. And we argue about everything else, what should make "religious beliefs" any different.
It is written: "Thus says the Lord: "Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, Let not the mighty man glory in his might, Nor let the rich man glory in his riches; But let him who glories glory in this, That he understands and knows Me, That I am the Lord, exercising lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight," says the Lord. "

 

The great thing about this thread is that Nehemiah is probably an old coot who's mad at the world because no one agrees with him anymore.

Everything's changing, Nehemiah. You can't stop it.

 

Who you calling "old"?

 

That would be you, or rather I'm guessing you're old.

 

I was thinking about this post last night, as sad as that is. I was trying to figure out exactly why I believe what I believe. Yes, this post did get me thinking, but people like Nemiah only really reinforce what I believe. And no, I don't need any big flashy text or annoying font to get my point across...very simply put too....

I need facts and there just isn't a lot to really prove all of 'this' went down as the Bible said it did. How many times was that book translated? How do we REALLY know that this just wasn't some random dude who got bored and wrote a really good story?

If there is a GOD out there as you describe him to be, I find it hard to believe that he would make us human, give us a brain, give us the power of free thinking and choice, and then shit on us if we don't believe exactly what he wants us to. Adam messed up, he sinned. But don't we as humans all screw up from time to time? Nobody is perfect, and everyone has sinned. It just doesn't make sense to me. "I'm going to make you human, but you dare not act like one!" It's like having rules that are impossible to follow. Now don't get me wrong, I do believe in respecting other human beings. I don't want to be raped, murdered, have all my stuff stolen, etc. So, in turn, I don't do it to anyone else. I have morals, I just don't need a little book to tell me how to be a decent human being.

Basically, I think you are doing your beliefs a disservice because you are making God and Jesus out to be assholes. I mean really, if Jesus was here in front of me right now (the one you describe anyways), would I befriend him and take him home to eat dinner with Mom and Dad? No. He sounds like a controlling, abusive asshole to me. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I believe in a higher power, I just don't buy into all the force-fed crap that religion throws at me. I have the power of choice and free thinking. There are forces of good and evil in the world, I just don't want to think of the good guy being some hillbilly-looking guy with bad clothes and flip-flops because that's what a large percentage of the population believes him to be.

I respect what you believe, if it works for you and gets you through the day, good for you. I just think it's wrong to automatically think "Ags/Ats" (or anyone) are ignorant just because they choose, as human beings, to believe something you don't. I mean really, isn't THAT the ignorant way of behaving??? Isn't it that kind of thinking that causes racism, holy wars, etc?

Oh, and one more thing. If your religion is such the shit, why do you have to go around and try so damn hard to convince people to believe in it? It's like being back in high school again. If your friends have to sit there for 2 hours trying to convince you it's ok to drink 40 beers and drive around, then it probably isn't a good idea....

 

You really should learn to pay closer attention to what people say before you get a severe case of the 'runs' of expression.

1. I have not attempted to presuade anyone here, or elsewhere, of ACCEPTING "religion". You attempt to read between the lines while you have yet to master reading just the lines. I have no religious practices nor a Religion; and I am certainly not attempting to be Religious.

2. If you don't like what I have stated here in this thread from its inception, then why don't you just ignore the entire thread and/or the Poster that you seem to be having all of your imagined problems with?

3. My entire conversation of persuasion, since I have been here in this Forum, has pointed to ONE PERSON Alone: JESUS CHRIST! HE is the ONLY PERSON or thing that I thoroughly Enjoy Talking about. Nothing nor No one else, warrants my time and/or attention as HE does. Why you ask? Well I am glad you asked!

JESUS CHRIST THE GOD/MAN...
. . .Came down to my level, because HE knew that I could, on my own, NEVER get up to HIS;
. . .Saved me when I was Lost;
. . .Satified the Demands of God, and Repaired my messed-up Condition;
. . .Took the Death and the Hell, that was rightfully supposed to have been mine.
. . .Made me a "joint heir" with HIMSELF, of all that HE Is (Alpha, Omega, KING of Kings, LORD of Lord, Messiah, Jehovah, The Prince of Peace, The Great I AM, The Son of God, The Son of Man, Everlasting, and all of what GOD intended for all of us to be and become, without all of us being identical and/or duplicates, and all that HE HAS/OWNS (EVERYTHING!). Regardless of what I am or what I am not, here in this world, In the World WITHOUT END, to come, I get to be All that HE wants me to be (and never get tired of being it). . .and I get to be it for all Eternity!

And all of this, with nary a mentioning of "religion".
And BTW, where were you and your opinions, when "Ats" and "Ags", were bashing and ridiculing and degrading all of us who BELIEVE GOD?

Its no fun when the shoe's on the other foot, huh?

For me, talking about JESUS CHRIST is tantamount to you talking about a good movie that you saw, and told your friend about; and because of your recommendation and excitement of that movie, your friend went and checked it out for him/herself.

That's why I state:

JESUS CHRIST
+nothing
=EVERYTHING!​

 

so Adam reached the age of 930 years, Methuslah 969 years, Please don't doubt the scriptures.

 

I can't believe people are actually trying to conduct a serious discussion with this nutjob...

 

Call him crazy!
Still he's right.

sorry, to dissapoint you

 

What is he right about?

Look at the title of the thread: "THE IGNORANCE & STUPIDITY of At(heist)s & Ag(nostic)s " Are you telling me that all atheists are ignorant and stupid?

What is his point anyways? What is the purpose of the thread? To show that all atheists are wrong?

He says, he's not religious and yet he keeps taling and talking about it (and in a very irritating way). His logic is flawed and he doesn't make any sense.

This whole thread is a joke...

 

Unfortunately, YES!
Read the scriptures and hence Jesus what he said about religion, He hates it.

 

All I keep hearing is sheep....

 

Firegirl:

The translation of the bible that I am currently working my way through, reading front to back, uses all available sources, including the earliest known complete copy of the bible, dating 350 AD, as well as ancient manuscripts that include sections of the bible, including the old testament passages contained in the dead sea scrolls. They translate the old testament directly from the The only major differences that they have found have been spelling and grammatical differences. In some cases, there are a few differences, or different possible interpretations. In those cases, they have a superscript directing you to a foot note where they detail the different possible meanings. At passages I feel are particularly important, I use the king James, and New American Standard translations to cross reference. Thus far there are a few nuanced differences in the translation, but the core information and message is the same. The only major discrepancy I have found is that the King James version uses very poetic language designed to inspire the soul, where as the New American English version and the version I am currently reading use language with the express purpose of informing. They king James version is a bit vauge in terms of 'perversion' and anything regarding sex, where as the newer translations lay bare what is said, leaving less room for 'interpretation'. Similarly to how the Kama Sutra (also a book I am reading) used to be translated with 'medicine' in place of the word 'Dildo'.

Still, the core message of the bible is essentially the same as far as I have gotten in this reading project, between translations.

I am of the opinon that human translators are flawed beings, and that eventually, if I want to get serious enough about my studies in the bible, I will need to learn hebrew. However as I do not, I must rely on the other method available to students of a work in a language other than it's origonal: Multiple translations. Multiple translations do no make studying the work less accurate, or more in doubt, in my opinion. Rather, they give one multiple windows to see the information and language conveyed by the original text.

One of the reasons that I go to church, is because the important passages are explained, and background on them given. For example, the fact that there are 5 different words for "love" in Greek, and in passages where the exact context of that love is important, the pastor points it out.

Does that help at all?

 

Even if it translates the same from different languages in your studies, I still feel there is no concrete evidence, for me anyways, that this wasn't just some story some random, bored guy wrote one day....

 

If you read the bible and you still believe that shit, that makes you stupid, no-one else, if you haven't read the bible and you believe in it - again you're stupid.

I fail to see why a group of society that happen not to believe in what we KNOW to be scientifically impossible, wether they have read it or not, this somehow transpires into them being idiots, I suggest you take a look at yourself, clown.

 

I don't believe that, the bible has meaning, lots of it, if you were to read and live by the word of it, no doubt you would live a happy and peaceful life, however that doesn't make it the word of any god, it makes it early mans attempt at teaching each other how to live, I also believe that the bible fulfilled it's roll for quite some time, however humans have way surpassed the need to believe such nonsense, after all the disasters human kind have ever been affected by, those with sense know there is no benevolant power watching over us.

 

It doesn't translate from different languages. It translates from the original language of the passages. Hebrew for the old testament, Greek for the new testament. What I'm saying is that they use multiple copies of the books going as far back as they can find them... in the same language.

I have to say I don't have the information on hand to talk to you about the " just some story" angle. I'll try to look it up on my own time, and have it when I come back on Monday, but I can't really gather info while I'm on the clock.

In the mean time, have I satisfactorily answered the translation problem? If not I can look for more information for you. Again, not right now since I'm at work, but later, on my own time.

 

I think you misunderstood me, or I didn't make it clear. I agree with you that the Bible may have meaning and serve a purpose for some people, it just doesn't really for me. I may not have done it the right way, but I really was just trying to make a point to Nemiah that "Ags" are not evil or stupid humans as he makes them out to be. We still have morals and beliefs even though we don't use his methods of learning them. It just really upsets me when people try and preach to me how my beliefs are wrong, but they want me to convert when all they are doing is calling me stupid and ignorant? "I'm not going to respect you as a human being with an opinion, I will call you names and treat you like crap, now convert to my religion so I can teach you my beliefs and morals". Sounds like learning morals from Jeffrey Dahlmer or Paris Hilton if you ask me...