THE IGNORANCE & STUPIDITY of At(heist)s & Ag(nostic)s

I was talking about Jesus Martinez, the maintenance man in my building. He was embarrassed at your postings here on DP.

Oops, I guess you thought I was talking about Jesus Christ. Sorry to disappoint you, I don't believe in the Jesus you seem to be writing about here.

I do hope your God holds you accountable for your ridiculous behavior. You think you are so smart, but the reality is you are doing a disservice to your religion. You are rude, close-minded, bigoted, and full of logical fallacies.

As long you are are having fun doing it right?

I think it was the Grateful Dead who said: Going to Hell in bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.

I hope you are enjoying your ride.

 

You're obviously an idiot. While Atheists believe there is no god, and believe it just as strongly as you believe there is one, That is not inherently negative nor positive. It just is. Agnostics, on the other neither believe god exists nor doesn't exist. Once again, this view is inherently neutral. It's bible thumping evangelicals like you that really turn people like me (an agnostic) off. Get off your high horse and quit thinking you're better than everyone else. That's what really rubs me the wrong way about the likes of you. Rather than accept the views and beliefs of others, you condemn and ridicule. So take your throat shoving religion crap and piss off.

 

I guess one last comment:

first I was part of "everyone else"
Second, Jesus is my savior and you are mistreating a brother in Christ if you are really a Christian. If you are you should accept correction especially by your elder, which in the case I am betting both Jim and I are both older than you (Jim by far..he's almost a dinosaur

 

Nehemiah apparently missed the boat, dock and coastal city all together when it comes to how to win friends and influence people.

 

Your "views and beliefs" are sending you straight to Hell; and I have not condemed anyone here, because it is not my Hell to put you in. But I'll respect your wishes regarding just you alone, right after I leave you with this it is written (twice): "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.(Proverbs 14:12; 16:25)" and ". . .for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (Mt 7:13)".

 

FYI, if anything, you're making Christianity look bad.

 

Not nearly as "bad" as I'm making "Atheism" and "Agnosticism", huh?

BTW, I wasn't one of those of "Christianity", who enslaved some of my ancestors. . .but that didn't make "Christianity look bad", huh?

And do you know why there are no "Ats" and "Ags" in Hell???
Because. . .in Hell, all F-O-R-M-E-R "Ats" and "Ags", now know that GOD IS!

You "Ats" and "Ags" make my job so easy!

And hopefully before, as your Screen Name says, you'll also remember:

JESUS CHRIST
+nothing

=EVERYTHING!​

 

Sadly, yes you have, Nehemiah. Predictably, you'll reply by saying (correctly) that you don't have the power to cast people into hell, but only the Lord can do that.

But your consistent tone is judgmental in this thread, both of professing Christians and of others. For example, you replied to me: "See Jim, LIKE AN UN-"(mercifully)" LARGE "number of" YOUR "fellow Christians", you're so busy trying to be "a Christian", that you've completely neglected being 'A CHILD [in CHRIST]' of THE ALMIGHTY GOD!"

It's amazing that you think that you have the wisdom and insight to render that judgment about me, or anyone else here. You don't know me; you have no idea whether I'm a child of God or not (I am, all thanks to Jesus Christ).

From my experience in the churches that I pastored for 22 years, it was the scornful, judgmental attitudes such as your posts reflect that caused more damage to the cause of Jesus Christ than the presence of unbelievers did. Jesus said that He "came to seek and to save the lost", not to rant against them. If I had been your pastor, I would have told you to put a lid on your rants or find another church.

OK, let 'er rip. I can't wait to hear the reply straightening me out.

 

I am doing no such thing. I am merely pointing out three areas in which your knowledge is severely lacking.

Fancy that! A false dichotomy from a Christian
Have you considered a third option - that you don't have the first clue what atheism is about? Not believing in God is not the same as not believing there is a God. Read that again and let it sink in.

Yes, I'll give you that. By stating that I thought you meant well I was trying hard to give you the benefit of the doubt in spite of your hatred-filled post. Frankly now I am not sure why I bothered.

Why does the Universe have to have a Creator, but God does not?
Why is the Creator of the Universe your Yahweh/Elohim, and not Shiva, Zeus, or even the aboriginal Rainbow Serpent?

Correct. When you make a statement, you should provide evidence to its validity. If I make the statement "THERE IS NO GOD", then I would need to show evidence to support my conclusion. But I make no such statement. My position is that I do not see sufficient evidence for me to believe in God/Allah/Rainbow Serpent. I make no such statement about the existence - or lack of - such beings.

I do not. I only see one person here spewing bile.

Very good! Bit is it true?
Are you an amputee from the thighs down - or are you a liar?

PS. I will ask my Christian friends to pray for you.

 

You have actually converted me to atheism.

 

First off, very funny post there ReadyToGo. (welcome to the darkside!)

Second, I just wanted to say that Nehemiah reminds me of something I saw on TV the other day. I was watching a show on people locked in institutions because of their severe mental illness. There was one guy that was in and out of this place because he wouldn't take his medication regularly. They showed him locked in a room, drooling all over himself, rocking back and forth, repeatedly yelling "I hate this place! The drugs don't work here!" over and over again. I felt bad for the guy, but at the same time, just wanted to knock him unconscious to let everyone in there have some peace.

I imagine Nehemiah sitting in a corner, drooling and rocking, repeating over and over:


JESUS CHRIST
+nothing
=EVERYTHING!

SOMEBODY PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!

My mommy told me to stay away from weirdo men like you! Usually end up as little pervs molesting young children! Wait....it all now makes perfect sense....priests.....children.......I get it now.....

 

This is a perfect example of you (Nehemiah) being a moron; you immediately go on an unfounded attack against universities about atheism and agnosticism being stupid. How about you quit using ad hominem attacks and actually talk about God's existence?

Prove it. You have never shown one single scrap of evidence showing that the Bible tells us what exists in the spiritual realm, or even that such a spiritual realm exists. High five for sort of almost renouncing your ad hominem attack, except you didn't.

All right. Since you clearly can't follow the structure of my earlier posts, I'll go ahead and tell you now how I'll respond to the arguments below. My first response to each will be why the argument isn't true or doesn't apply to atheists or agnostics. My second response will be how there isn't a logical reason to believe in God even if the argument is true. My third response will be a counter-argument for atheism, showing why atheism is specifically more logical than your brand of belief.

1. Atheism is not, unlike religion, an entire worldview. Atheism is one specific position (the absence of a God), and is a specific conclusion of my worldview. I do not assert God's non-existence as a premise. I give specific, independent reasons to not believe in God, such as lack of empirical evidence and parsimony. Your argument is entirely false since I reject God as a conclusion, not as an assumption.

2. Even if your argument is true and I'm the most hypocritical person ever, there still isn't any reason to accept your premise of God's existence above a premise of His non-existence. In this case, we have to find a way to support one above the other, and I would argue that the only way to do that is through empirical evidence or logical processes, so even if your argument is true and you don't have to support your premise directly, you have to support it indirectly. You haven't done that either.

3. Your idea that you don't have to back up part of your belief is utterly ridiculous. The only way you ever can uphold your belief here as superior to mine is to ignore my argument altogether. If we both accept these claims as our premises, then we need a way to evaluate which one is true. If we both accept them as conclusions, we still need a way to evaluate which one is true. The only way to do that is through logic and evidence. Since you have provided neither, atheism is a more accurate conclusion to the question of God's existence.

1. You invert the burden of proof here. The default position, in lieu of evidence or logical reasoning, is to reject the claim, especially in the case of a huge claim like God. Your argument is logically fallacious and doesn't even need to be answered to be an atheist.

2. Even if this argument made an ounce of sense, this doesn't make it more logical to be Christian. We would both have equally compelling positions, but only one of us could be right. The only way to figure out which one of us is correct would be to use logical processes (which your argument here conflicts with) or evidence (which you haven't provided).

3. There's a direct reason that I'm correct whether or not your argument is true. Since a lack of evidence for your God exists and evidence for your God would exist if He did, your God does not exist. If your argument isn't true (which it isn't), you haven't proven God's existence and I have provided evidence for His non-existence. If it is, I have provided more evidence for His non-existence than you have provided for His existence.

1. See number 1 above, and then add to it the fact that the message has already been discredited, due to Big Bang Theory, parsimony, and direct contradiction between the Bible and reality. I don't shoot the messenger, as much as your ad hominem argument likes to think I do.

2. See number 2 above, and add that other groups such as the Hindus have messages which you are not able to discredit. According to you, that makes them all right. As that is logically impossible, we have to find a way to determine who is correct, and evidence (which you don't have) is the only way to do that.

3. See number 3 above, and add on Big Bang Theory which directly disproves your version of events through evidence that contradicts with it and indirectly contradicts by, under your inverse burden of proof, being just as correct as the Bible.

1. And you say I repeat myself! This argument is false; proving a negative is possible, though often very difficult. However, this doesn't change the fact that you have presented a positive claim with no evidence. It is your job to prove that positive claim since you have presented it as true. Disproving a positive statement means proving a negative statement, and it is not necessary for me to do that.

2. See number 2 above, and add on your inablitiy to disprove conflicting positive statements (I was in New York at exactly 10:00 this morning. I was in Maine at exactly 10:00 this morning). Since you can't disprove either of these, your logic says they both are right. That's contradictory, meaning you have to just choose one for no apparent reason. The same thing happens with God if your argument is true.

3. See number 3 above, and add on that if I have to disprove his positive claims, he has to disprove mine. In that case, he has to disprove the claim that God doesn't exist, meaning show me evidence or a logical reason that shows why that claim is false. In other words, he would have to show me that his claim is true anyway.

1. See number 1 above, then add on the ways your argument is discredited that I gave you earlier in this post.

2. See number 2 above, then add in parsimony. If all the positive claims are accepted until disproven, all God claims are true, including the claim that no Gods exist. Parsimony tells me that the claim that requires the least complexity is right. Since your God is infinitely complex, any other claim gets accepted first.

3. See number 3 above, add in where I show you that I already have reason to doubt your claim and uphold my own (absence of evidence), then add in that my position is the logical default, so I don't have to actively prove anything other than that evidence for God does not exist or is not accurate.

1. Disproving a positive IS proving a negative. Disproving the statement "My grandmother is flying over France" requires me to prove the statement "My grandmother is not flying over France." Even though this is possible (to some extent), if you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence for it. You have the direct job to prove the positive claims you make, and you haven't done it.

2. See number 2 above.

3. See number 3 above.

I'm going to break this pattern for the next section, since you once again descend into ad hominem personal attacks.

Think logically, for starters. Just because you don't like the idea of denying God as the logical default doesn't make it less true. You have zero arguments showing why I need to disprove your arguments before you prove them, and I've shown you how absurdly illogical having to do so would be. It is logically necessary to have the preson uphloding the claim prove that claim true.

Even if it were absolutely impossible to prove a negative, which it isn't, since your claim is unproven, the logical default position is to be an atheist. I prove my argument through absence of proof for yours.

This argument is wrong on two levels. First, you provide no evidence for and merely assert that the Bible is true even though it conflicts directly with historical evidence (the flood, anyone?). Second, you use circular logic to assert that the Bible is true, only accepting it because you believe that God exists. The only way to ever accept the Bible as God's word is if you believe God existed and created said word.

See above. The people writing it created what they say is God's word, but you still use circular logic to accept it and ignore contradictions with reality.

More circular logic. You only accept the witnesses because you believe the Bible and only accept the Bible because you believe the witnesses. Your evidence isn't, in other words.

See above. You accept one only because you accept the other.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the authors of the Bible had an agenda to promote Christianity (and earlier Judaism)? They had the motive and the capability, and through translation things would have gotten even more skewed. The Bible referencing itself will never prove it right anyway, as the logic will always be circular. You have to have outside evidence proving it.

See above. Circular logic, moron.

Hallucinate much? Fine. If you get to just assert your own subjective experience as proof of God, then I can assert mine as proof of the non- existence of God. I prove that God doesn't exist, because I have experienced the non-existence of God.

Your arguments are horrendous, your personal attacks are nasty, and your logic is absurd. Thanks for playing, though. Come again.​

 

Come on everyone, this not fair to Nehemiah anymore.

I do not think Nehemiah's God has equipped him for a battle of wits.

 

Want to start bashing the agnostics, come debate me. Be a real man and take on this challenge and I will show you where your religion fails.

You think extremist muslims are a problem and you need to start judging agnostics, come ask me about what I've been for the past year and recognize what one of your own "sister" believers has done.

 

And, you as well, may have your "dust" back.
BTW, As a "hireling", and not a real Shepherd, it is not my job of "straightening" you "out".

 

My sincere hope is that the readers of this thread realize that the starter of this thread does not represent the attitudes of the Christian faith that Jesus brought to this earth. Please don't judge Christianity by his ongoing diatribes that are giving the faith a bad name.

 

Guys, sorry about this. I wrote a Jesus bot for Shawn in order to automate this section and I can't get the coding right.

The font keeps messing up.

I should have it fixed by tommorow.

 

Hey yfs1,

Can you please give this bot a different phrase to repeat too? The

JESUS CHRIST
+nothing
=EVERYTHING!

is driving me up a wall! Reminds me of the SNL chick that did that 'SuperStar' movie. SUPERSTAR!!! Could you make him drool and say "Darrrrrrhhhhhhh!" all day long?

 

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