Thanks yar. I wish I remembered all I read in that book. But there is always the Big Daddy of search for the rescue.
awwwww.... i am still laughing the source you have given.. here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba#History What kind of score? are we playing some kind of game, win or loss? Grow up this is discussion forum awwww.... Lovely words from the Quran, you must read the rest of words before and after these ayaat to know what rewards the people get in the heaven
Junk head of the first rate. Wrong on my part to have expected you to grow up. Dumb guy. You should either read my post in full or read quran. Oh! Silly me, Pakistani muslims don't understand Arabic. You people just read it verbose without bothering to know the meanings
Okay Vebtools, let's assume for a while that Kaaba wasn't built by Raja Vikramaditya. Nevertheless, the day I was waiting to show muslims their place has arrived. It turned out as I expected that you haven't read your source link from Wikipedia. Good. According to the wikipedia article Kaaba was first built by the first man, Adam and is believed that it is the first building ever built on earth. Ibrahim and Ismail rebuilt the Kaaba on the old foundations. So there are two parts to this source you gave me to read. Interesting, right? So read on. Adam came to this earth around 3760 BC (Hebrew calendar) or 4004 BC (Ussher chronology) and died on 2830 BC (Hebrew calendar) [aged 930] or 3074 BC (Ussher chronology). I would give the latter more weight because it is believed as being authentic. It also gives your man Adam, a little extra time to try and establish his existence and as the first man to ever have set his foot on this dirt. (you may disagree if you can). Genesis, a great scholar, while explaining the etymology of the word Adam, deduces that the term Adam is a generic sense meaning "mankind" which is the same as the earlier Canaanite 'adam. The point is, it started off with meaning "the man" which later expanded to mean "the mankind". But the early Mesopotamian history dates back to the last (10th) ice age - 10,000 BC which is the first recorded history of mankind which is about 6000 years before the recorded birth of Adam per biblical notes (as well as Hebrew calendar and Ussher chronology). Important milestones there after and till the construction of Kaba: Neolithic settlement - 7000BC Bronze Age - 4000BC (complicated irrigation methods developed, houses and villages built) Mesopotamia during this bronze age is regarded as the Cradle of Civilization. Major settlers during this time were Sumers whose origin is disputed by various scholars. By 3000 BC, these settlements have developed into urban centers and into increasingly complex societies. Large food storage structures were built to amass huge surpluses. Huge building projects undertaken, politics was becoming sophisticated. Clearly, Adam was not the first man and Kaaba was not the first building ever built on earth as your source claims. It is around this overlapping time or slightly before this that Adam and Hawwa were sent to the earth as the first man and woman. Around this time, far away in ancient India, Harappa and Mohenjadaro civilization was in its craddle and was a fully grown up and developed one by 3600BC, which is around Adam was sent to earth or created. I need to talk about the ancient Chinese civilization to dispel your illusions about Kaaba. Archaeological evidences document the Chinese civilization to date from 250,000 to 2.24 million years ago. I doubt if Allah was even created/born/conceptualized at that time, let alone the pedo muhammad. Scientists have discovered fossils dated at somewhere between 300,000 to 780,000 years in a cave near present-day Beijing. This Peking Man is the first man to have learnt to use fire. A fully modern human in China comes from Liujiang County, Guangxi, where a cranium has been found and dated at approximately 67,000 years old. Modern humans, who could construct buildings, probably reached China before that time because a partial skeleton from Minatogawa in Japan has been dated to as recently as 16,600 to 18,250 years old. Kaaba has 360 idols in it which is against the tenets of Islam and Quran vociferously bans worshiping idols. Kaaba is known to have become a pilgrimage around 500 AD (70 years before Muhammad was born and shat out islam). Muhammad earned the enmity of his tribe by claiming the shrine for the new religion of Islam that he preached. He wanted the Kaaba to be dedicated to the worship of the one God alone, and all the idols of Arabian tribal gods and other religious figures, including Jesus and Mary evicted. Same link you gave, Vebtools. Muslims are conditioned to refute anything to everything which doesn't suit them. So what are you thinking, Vebtools, just go ahead do the most usual.
Awesome. The Muslims are currently celebrating Jericho's 10,000 year birthday -- which means that the city of Jericho is thousands of years older than Adam. Religious people are funny.
if israel fires a nuclear bomb then nothing will happen Allah will protect Holy Kaba, but my dear sister why you are wishing for nuclear bomb fortunately we are Muslims but after all we are human indeed you are not Muslim but as human try to make peace in world clean your mind be positive how many muslim you will kill you cannot finish Islam Muslims if you love your religion then impress the Muslim with your sweet behavior with your kindness with your loyalty with your humble prove your self as a good human then i think you can finish the Muslims but not with weapons or missiles these are trivial thoughts.
What if Russia or China does it ? That question popped up in my mind the other day . What will happen then ?
The most open and well known truth that Muslims/Palestinians should have known long ago is that if Israel is gone from this world, as you appear to be threatening, take it from me, that will also end islam which condones barbarism for sure.
I do not agree. I see the Muslims annihilating Israel as a historical inevitability. Eventually every Islamic government and NGO will obtain nuclear weapons or equivalent WMD's. And, eventually these weapons will be utilized. Moreover, once the deed is done, it seems obvious to me that Western governments will accept it as a fait accompli. They may punish one government or attempt to punish one NGO, but Islam as a whole will skate by unaffected. What is the largest Islamic nation on Earth? Indonesia. When Iran nukes Israel, what happens to Indonesia? Nothing. Israel is dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
Will I am not expecting Israel, being as shrewd as they are, to nuke Palestine when there are many islamic nuclear countries, that would be suicidal. If they are ever going to nuke Palestine or a muslim country they would certainly do it when it suits them most. There was a story going on here during the Gaddafi Bombing of 1991 that Israel wanted India to collaborate with its plan to blast Pakistan's nuclear plant/storage site Kahuta. That was being discussed widely in the media at that time. This almost coincided with Pak's Islamic bomb development. Apparently, India didn't encourage this.
Alevoor: I am not saying that Israel will use nuclear weapons; I am saying that it is almost inevitable that nuclear weapons (or another technology with similar results) will be used on Israel.
Will, This is possible. I agree with you on this account. But that's a distant possibility, as far as I can see, with Israel playing its cards openly and cleverly. However, if Israel were to attack first, there are at least a couple of scenarios that could arise. Preparedness of the target country. In case they are incapable of reflex reaction, they can as well forget it because of the international reaction and the imminent threat. Only a fanatic country like Pakistan may dare to move ahead under this circumstance If we are assuming that the target is Palestine, it depends on the willingness of islamic cronies to react for them, at least officially. With Saddam out of this world, and as Pakistan can be silenced with a few more million dollars, the chances can be reduced. But again, you cant tell much about the fanatics. Geographically, they are pretty vulnerable, unlike the US or India. But we should keep in mind that historically nuclear Pakistan was unable to use its islamic bomb in 1999