It would seem that your reading comprehension is somewhat lacking, therefore you are now trying to pick holes in my statement just about any which way possible that you can. Does one have to spell it out for you? Rather than casting your aspersions around willy nilly, trying to fabricate the truth, trying to make out that I am providing false information or worse lying, why can't you just accept the above statements for what they are? Do you seriously have a problem with that? Not being funny with you sunshine but you are becoming a serious pain in the butt. No, it is not for blog sites. No, it is not for funnel sites. No, it is not for adwords. Yes, it is for a brand new site that this works just as well, or any other website, including a brand new domain. Now, do you comprehend, or are you going to come back at me again with further silly accusations and dribble? I've already explained above quite succinctly in easy to understand language, that most people, including the thickest of the thick, would be able to interpret, in the mush between their ears, perhaps you are just the rare exception? As they say, there's always one, in this case rather unfortunately, it's you. So, please do stop with your idiotic questions, read the above and go away, do your research and if you can't find it from all the crap posted above, as I aforementioned stated, that is your loss, not mine.
personal insults are highly intelligent of course. At the risk of being poilte, lets recap what i think you are saying, which is all just about keyword density. Basically, you say see how other websites listed are using the keyword density and that website relation to the keyword search, refine it, add this as a landing page to your website, and you too can be listed in the top ten for that keyword. You do realise that keyword density isnt the only thing that governs results of course? of course you do. silly question. Now, lest ssume we've made our page, we've uploaded it as an article in our CMS. Now, you are saying that it will somehow be INDEXED AND RETURNED within an hour, on the first page right? You see, this is the bit i have trouble with. We all know about keyword density and landing pages, fair enough, even if they are only a tiny tiny minority of the ranking process, but this ten minute thing is the issue here, nothing else. you dont have to answer anything you dont want, just come up with real life examples of new domains being in indexed within minutes, and i will apologise wholeheartedly, i can assure you of that. Just answer the questions and job done.. simple. You havent done this so far. Until you do, them myself, and everyone else reading this thread , will wholeheartedly agree you are talking utter twoddle. If you can come up with the goods in forms of examples you have applied this to, or a clearer explanation of what it is you are supposedly doing (or rather, think you are doing) then all praise to you, and you dont even have to go into specific detail, cant say fairer than that. As a reward, i wont mention your completely absurd concept of creating a new website for every minority term a client wishes to target. Which, hats off to you, is a killer idea.
It's 'twaddle' not twoddle. There's no such word as 'twoddle' - kettle, black, eh? Read the above points again, I dropped a clue in there for you, however being a bit thick, I don't expect you to anytime soon, locate the tool that I mention. As for providing you with examples, who are you to demand of me that I continue to waste my time on your sole behalf? Your'e the one in actual fact that is being insulting in this thread, rather than actually being helpful to anyone. You are the one that is taking this subject matter way off topic, derailing the thread of the OP. I'm afraid I don't see oodles of other posters jumping in, challenging my words, no, it's just you, poking incessantly. To those that sent me a pm, I willingly gave the info to them that they needed. You? No way.
see edit above, but jees.. okay.. having seen your website and your SEO suggestions.. i think we'll leave it at that. ps.. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twoddle http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=twoddle&meta=&rlz=1W1GGLL_en-GB&aq=f&oq=
if we could crack the google code we would all be very rich indeed, the earlity is that very few SEO experts are able to acheive anything beyond lightening your bank balance. My advice is to build organic back links to sites with relevant content
OK I will take the bait.... When magda said "there's never been evidence that google are using lsi in organic serps" you responded "I take it you guys don't keep up with the Google blog where they only recently made an announcement regarding this most logical step". A simple question for you - Can you give a link to the Google blog post you are referring to? - Michael
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-new-improvements-to-google-results.html If that isn't LSI and keyword theming, i don't know what is.
Ah! That is why you are confused. The blog post to which you refer describes the 'Orion' technology, absolutely nothing to do with LSI. I suggest that you read this first Google Implements ‘Orion’ Technology, Improves Search Refinements & Adds Longer Snippets for more information. And then if you really want to know what LSI is, why search engines don't use it and why it does not work with large non-homogeneous document collections read What is Latent Semantic Indexing. Hope that helps. - Michael
Thanks, how did I know you would come back with that kind of reply? I know what LSI is thank you. On your first link, the gentleman makes this point: (his opinion as admitted) "Some people will use the term “semantic search†to describe the technology behind the new refinements. But that term has largely been drained of meaning through excessive use in my opinion. Yet, what Google says it’s doing is better “understanding†the relationships between queries and related concepts and presenting those as refinements." It's a lot easier to use the three letters 'LSI' than three lines of politically correct gobbledegook, when it is one and the same thing that is being referenced. Note that he doesn't say that LSI is inaccurate, he just stated that it's been, 'largely drained of meaning', one would assume by excessive use online, people not really understanding exactly what it does and trying to write intelligently upon a subject matter they not a thing about. (in general, not him specifically) It's all well and good to slap a couple of links to back up your point that the other party must be 'confused' but at least do take the trouble, rather than placing a red herring into the works, the argument, to explain yourself in your own words, if you are going to go down that tack. It's LSI plain and simple, you can argue until the cows come home but it will still remain LSI. The point at the end of the day is that it works extraordinarily well especially with keyword theming in getting sites to rank incredibly fast, as pointed out right at the start of all of this, in minutes in many cases. I know, I use it. If it didn't work, I wouldn't be using it. Simple.
its me again.. its just that, i cant see how you link LSI in relation to ten minute indexing.. thats the issue. I dont care whether its LSI or not, its the ten minute indexing thats the big point here. Creating a page and having it indexed within ten minutes, is, to my knowledge, virtually impossible unless it an established news site or similar. I dont care what the content is, its getting the spiders to visit your NEW site/page within minutes.. thats the issue.
There are two kinds of newbies on this forum - those who are here to learn and ask questions and those who think they 'know it all' already but systematically and aggressively demonstrate their own ignorance. You think you know what LSI is but you don't. No really you don't, it is in fact a complex mathematical operation and yes it is a lot easier "to use the three letters LSI" than to know and understand what the mathematical operation actually does. This is why many people such as yourself are using the term erroneously, it is called mythology regurgitation. You have a choice - you can wallow in your own ignorance and give a few of us on the forum a good laugh once in a while or you can ask questions about what you do not understand and learn. Here is some more reading material, it is of course up to you to take advantage of it or not. SVD and LSI Tutorial The LSI Myth Vector Space, Probabilistic LSI, and LDA There is a good quote in the last one (keep in mind that the author is an international IR expert and runs graduate courses in Search Engine Architecture): There is now a crew of SEOs claiming that they can design documents “LSI-friendly†by making these rich in synonyms and related terms. We have demonstrated via our SVD and LSI tutorial series why this is not possible. These marketers are simply inventing out of thin air LSI Myths in order to market better whatever they sell or promote (often their own image as “expertsâ€). I hope that helps. - Michael
With a PHD in mathematical modelling, I'm fully aware of what LSI is, you lunatic. Far as I'm concerned this thread is closed. Thanks to several of you for pm'ing me for further info, I was more than happy to share the information with you and hope that you use it to great effect. If these troublemakers above don't want to get it, let them waste their time using other methods, that's up to them.
I always wondered who bought those email offers "Get a Genuine College Degree or PhD in 2 weeks". - Michael
Nice info in this thread. I really wish that google would publicly announce how they rank for keywords.... that would make SEO so easy.... but then that would also destroy the process and open it up to spamming..... so i guess that's a catch 22
you've said that several times already, and you stil avoid the issue of ten minute indexing. i'd like some clarification on this, but nothing appears. And, seeing as you are resorting to personal insults yet again... i'd just like to say your website is appalling for a web designer. Your SEO suggestions are ludicrous, and I have yet to find any clients who have used your services. I dont think i'll yet resort to calling people thick or lunatics though, i'll reserve that privilige to yout own good self.
freeflyer u would like to take a look at the post by £££ guy under this thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=11073013 I hate people who are obsessed with bringing something new without even thinking bout its correctness and the result if somebody really follows it!
OK, So if I narrow my selection of keywords and keyphrases, as well as description and page name, then that will give me better results related to my niche. Here is an Idea, I own many domains related to website design and development. I am hosting all domains on one server, and have them pointed toward the open directory. In short, 8 domains show the same site. I am thinking for actually making a separate site for each domain and concentrating on certain keywords for each site. for instance, I own www.website-designservices.com If I concentrate on implementing the keywords website design services to www.website-designservices.com then I should do good under website design services and so on... Then I will have each website link to one another... I do a search like you said under south florida website design and development and I am on the first page!!! But this does not matter because nobody in their right mind would ever search for south florida website design and development. I thought that google would see the keywords inside of that phrase, website design, or south florida design... You are right, it is not working that way... Thank you for your input and yes, I am working on presentation as well...
If I could "crack the Google code", I would keep it to myself for the 3 days prior to Google once again changing Algos. Disclaimer: The term "3 days" is for effect only, and is NOT the actual frequency Google changes their Algo.
i'm not a fan of multiple domains linking to the same site, and nor is google to be honest, especially if they are all on the same server. And, more importantly, nor will your visitors be fans either. Getting thrown around from one site to another lacks professionalism, and for a web design business (or indeed any business) this practice will almost certainly lose you a lot of potential clients. You want customers.. customers dont like click after click after click, especially when it crosses domains. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot incorporate all terms into the one site and still be ranked well for multiple terms. You have a web design business, your terms are web design terms, its easy to be found for web design terms on one website. It'll also be easier to manage, and you only have to promote/link one site as opposed to ten, meaning better overall pagerank for that site.