The Good of the Muslim World

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  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #81
    Surah 5:51 has to be read with Surah 5:57 and 60:8+9.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #82
    No, it pretty much says what it says. Do not take Christians or Jews as friends.

    The quran is not a complicated read nor was it designed such that one need a Masters degree to comprehend it. It says what it says. The context is clear.
     
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    #83
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    #84
    quote from http://www.submission.org/suras/sura5.html

    5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
    And see 5:57
    [5:57] O you who believe, do not befriend those among the recipients of previous scripture who mock and ridicule your religion, nor shall you befriend the disbelievers. You shall reverence GOD, if you are really believers.
     
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  5. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #85
    Are you translating from Arabic?

    Thanks for that info. It will come in handy the next time I re-read it. :rolleyes:
     
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    #86
    Might as well post Surah 60:8+9 as well.

     
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    bfebrian Peon

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    #88
    http://www.submission.org/suras/sura5.html

    "Woe is me, I'm dumber than a raven?" And that's why he's remorsful?

    No wonder the Muslims have switched to the "you're no scholar" card. When the Quran is so full of gems like that it's no wonder they'd rather just keep it all a secret and just pretend no one knows what they're talking about.

    "Truths Jews, Christians and Muslims Hold in Common"

    Reading over that, it makes it clear that Muslims, while they claim to revere Jesus and Mary, reject him as the messiah.

    Apples have skins, oranges have skins. Apples grow on trees, oranges grow on trees. Apples have seeds. Oranges have seeds.

    Apples are not Oranges and that link makes it clear the despite the fact that Muslims have some basic similarities to Christians, they are not Christian and do not follow essential Christian doctrine.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #89
    If someone is going to speak intelligently and accurately about a religion and it's book, it would help of that person had a clue about the source material and didn't just randomly Google up facts.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #90
    Holy cow. You're learning something.

    Guess what? Jews also reject Jesus as the Messiah.

    Great keyword density.

    Muslims are not Christians. Who would have thought it. Now I am learning something.

    I wonder if Atheists are Christians. :confused:
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #91
    I prefer a non-biased source that does not water down the scriptures by inserting words that are not normally there:

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html

    There is islam for muslims, then there is islam for the kaffir. Note all three translations use the same text and no where have they inserted "certain" words to diminish the truth.


    I'm using a trusted non-biased source that includes three different translations from muslim scholars. I prefer this source because of this. It helps deter the "translation card" that is so typically used. You know, like when someone claims you have to read in Arabic to understand or that the translation is incorrect or the verse is taken out of context? I'm sure you are familiar with those strategies. I know I certainly am ;)
     
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    #92
    It the first time human killed another human being, that why since than most of burries the dead (some of us burns the dead).
    Funny, no one told him how to kill another human being, but need a lesson from a raven what to do after the killing.

    Is there any other religions that follows Christians doctrine?
    They have their own religion, so they follow they own doctrine.
    Is this possible?
    I'm a muslim, but I go to church every sunday.
    or
    I'm a hindu, but I believes in Jesus.
     
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    #93
    I didn't get killed when I was there. Does that count?
     
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  14. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #94
    230,000,000 population 200,000,000 are muslim

    1.3% admitted to using violence against people or objects they consider contradictory to their beliefs
    thats 2,600,000 million nut jobs you have running around. and dont nothing about it.

    they where not walking to school like the 3 teenage girls, they are men and can fight back, girls are an easy tartget, your yellow belly nutters knew they can kill 3 young girls, without fear of a fight and loosing to men.


    that would be 80 million of 200,000,000 ready to wage war for islam.

    i guess you dont understand how polls are done, but thats enough to give an overview of the population

    what the old testament says, and the new testament says, are a sign that Christianity can and does accept it's faults and improves on them.

    Islam still practices the barbaric acts and oppression, thats why Christianity will always be #1 over Islam.

    time islam submits defeat to Christianity dont you think?

    :rolleyes:
     
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    #95
    well, 200 millions muslim and 30 millions non muslim.
    If all muslim in indonesia are fanatic and barbaric, what would happen for that 30 millions non muslim?
    That fact is nothing happen.
    If only 1 or2 accident is done bye a criminal, you can't say that all muslim are fanatic and barbaric.

    1.3% from 1,200 surveyed.

    If muslim in indonesia are fanatic and barbaric, would you think that going to a night club is much more dangerous?

    My mistake.
    It 200 millions muslim not 100 millions.
    If you think 1,200 surveyed can be justified agains 200 millions, so be it. :rolleyes:
     
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    #96

    What are Islamic countries? Just curious as to the definition.
     
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    #97
    005.051
    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
    PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    and then further explainations in sura 5:57

    005.057
    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
    PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.

    You can't just read 1 verse of quran and then claim that you understand of quran.
    That what happen with that muslim fanatic, they just read 1,2 verses.

    Try to read quran as a book, like you read Hercule Poirot :D . (Agatha Christie still the best in writing detective books)
     
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    #98
    you have no idea how a survey is conducted have you?
     
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    #99
    Samantha knows how surveys are conducted and she is a firm beleiver of all surveys taking placeabout bush popularity going to drop at bottom specially a recent survey took place in california.....
    I am right samantha? ;)
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #100
    Nor do I claim one can. But the next verse does not abrogate the previous verse, rather it adds to the continuing list of who not to befriend. For Christians and Jews are not the only "unbelievers."

    Do not take Christians and Jews as friends. Also do not take those who mock for fun.

    It's not one or the other, it's both/all. Neither verse precludes or overrides those of which you should not befriend, rather it states clearly who you cannot befriend, additionally.
     
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