The goal of USA? (Or at least those in the Europe)

new york and I've seen it all go down, yes it was terrorism, self inflicted terrorism

those who say no, don't want to hear the truth.

 

then why did you just say it wasn't? if now you are

 

I don't know, do you?

You are trying to brush aside the death American Foriegn policy has created by saying 'they would have died anyway'. Absolutely pathetic and a typical blind/brainwashed Bush supporters view.

Due to the American invasion and occupation of Iraq around 40000-50000 civilians have died as a direct result of the war.

Asking for 'proof' is stupid. The figure of 40000-50000 is accurate as agreed by many seperate studies by seperate and reputable organisations.

The total death toll, including combatants is closer to 100,000.

You are deluded if you think starting this war has somehow saved lives.

 

think future and now will this war save lives?
maybe... maybe not?

ANd no, I dont know how many died a day under Saddam, but then again I would bet that it is higher than 50

 

The point is, it saved our lives.

We haven't lost many soldiers as well.

But sure, allowing terrorists a location to plan and hit our cities killing 2k civilians of American people at once is a good plan.

Lets leave Iraq, the middleeast, etc. alone, watch what happens

 

haha i like this guy ^^^

 

It is America's perceived policy toward Israel and the middle east that angered muslim extremist initially, now it is the occupation of Iraq and Afganistan. The best think GW Bush could do is get out...of course that would be the same as admitting defeat with over 2000 dead US soldiers.

But hey, Bush and Cheney's friends all made a fortune like those at Halliburton where they pay 100k to a truck driver in Iraq and bill the Govt
200k.

 

What did the Iraq war have to do with terrorism? The countries there were linked to terrorism were Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Apart from the fact that now there are thousands of terrorists in Iraq that there weren't before.

I was under the impression that it was over WMD, of which none of ever been found or the existence of proved.

 

Believe me if you intend to do this fair and square I would say this world will be a great place to live in. But you know, your politics and lust for absolute power will not allow this to be happen;

 

Thats just a Hoax, and propoganda, all the four countries I believe are the allies of USA on war on terrorism (so called, actually war to control OIL). All the governments in these countries are the puppits of USA. You can't claim that a country is terrorist, I would say USA is the terriost but you will call it is fighting for world peace, hay don't shit this.
What happen in Lebonan few weeks ago... thats terrorism too, killing innocent people. You will not count it as terrorism, don't you?

They are not terrorist they are people fighting to get their land back from USA and its allies.

hmmm, you know this it was the situation created to invade Iraq, then ofcourse you will have to face rebellion, why calling them terrorists they are freedom fighters

 

9/11 commission was another propoganda to duped people. let get it this way.

Who got the best technologies in the world?

All we know about google earth, right? If google can track down each and every place in the world using setellite there is not way that CIA or other intelligence agencies can't track down a person via satellite. If they can't then google is good candidate for intelligence services

I strongly believe that if US wants to get rid of Bin Laden they can do it in few minutes. but think what will happen they will not have reasons to stay in afghanistan, Iraq etc..., they can't fooled you? they can't frighten you they can tax you for war bugets...

there are lots of things to ponder, give your brain an exercise.

 

so think would support your govenment if they have said, we want to invade afghanistan and Iraq for peace purpose, unless they created a situation killed their own people, you are right bloodshed does sell things.

 

No, there's no such thing as a terrorist counntry, just terrorst groups that exist within states, either with that staes backing or without. That's why terrorism is so hard to wage war on.

No, I personally don't count it as terrorism, it was wrong, but not terrorism.

Definition of terrorism -

I don't believe that Israels action was directed against the population as a whole, though as always, one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

People in Iraq have their land back. The US and it's allies are withdrawing (hopefully) soon. Any groups with links to Al-Quaida are terrorists in my opinion. My view though is that the war in Iraq was illegal and had nothing to do with the 'War' on terror.

I hardly think the US making themselves and their allies look stupid my admitting one of their 'allies' tipped of their enemy can be construed as propaganda. Rather an embaressing fact that came out during the investigation.

 

it seems that your definition for terrorism is different for your self and different for other people

 

No, it's the dictionary definition. But like I said, one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter

 

So you don't want to fight terrorism? What happened in Lebanon? A terrorist group called hezbollah crossed international borders and kidnapped Israelis and fired rockets into Israel with the only intention of killing civilians. Not content with killing just Israeli citizens, hezbollah used women, children and the UN as human shields to protect their cowardess selves while their leader took refuge in the Iranian embassy. Surely you don't think it's honorable for those brave "mujahadeen" to hide behind women and children, do you?

The US and it's allies have not taken any land. They are terrorists. They kill Iraqis daily and people like you legitimize them by giving the credit of their actions of killing Iraqis to others. They are not fighting to get land back that was never taken in the first place, they are fighting in the cause of Allah to kill "Americans" (aka Christians and Jews) because they beleive they will get virgins in heaven.

You are saying the actions of terrorists and how they kill the civilian population daily is "freedom" and that is the kind of "freedom" you wish to live in? Whose freedom are they fighting for? Since when does fighting for freedom include mass murdering the people you are supposed to be fighting "for?" They are not freedom fighters, they have no inclination of what freedom is. They are coward virgin seekers who want to take over and rule with an iron fist of murder, terrorism and fear.

 

As far as israel is concern there is no international border, they already captured the lands of Arabs. Signs of ignorance are clear from your post.

did you ever think about why these people (so called terrorist) raised their voices?

I am with you, I will call them terrorist if there is enough proof available that they attacked on WTC towers?

But commonsense and so many documentary says what I have been saying on this thread, for example:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726

 

Who captured what? Israel was Israel long before islam was ever invented. There are international borders.

They don't raise voices, they raise death and destruction. Why? Virgins.

That proof is overwhelming. Or are you trying to deny your brothers their virgins? That wouldn't be nice, would it?

Actually, it's the other way around. They aren't saying what you are saying, you are *trying* to say what they say. Problem is, they've been debunked so many times and so many lies exposed, you'd have to have blind loyalty to their wishful thinking to accept what they say. Some people have that blind loyalty. Do you?

Now if you prefer a video with truth....

 

The world is a big place... it is easy to disappear. Google doesn't know where Bin Laden is, and neither does the US goverment.

 

There are vivid differences b/w the movies. In your documentary they were the same people doing propoganda against the Muslims. But in the documentry I have posted the link, they were talking with proofs? and intrestingly they are not muslims? They are one of your own. They are just unfolding the truth, which you don't want to accept. Check it out again, atleast view it carefully, its about 1 and 1/2 hour long:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726