The Future of Text Link Brokers?

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  1. WebAttend

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    #21
    I think the sold link market will continue, however I have read in a few places that google has manually reviewed some sites selling links before penalisation. If they are adopting a manual review process, I think places like TLA may be avoided by sites selling links as this will be an easy way for google to find them.
     
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  2. Boardwalk

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    #22
    Link brokers were penalized. TLA is not ranking for the search term "text link ads".
     
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  3. TNX

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    #23
    who is ranking for this term?
     
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  4. Boardwalk

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    #24
    Your thread, followed by LinkWorth. :)
     
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  5. FFMG

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    #25
    I think he knew that :)

    But I wonder how well the thread used to rank before, (and where TLA used to rank before that).

    FFMG
     
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  6. izeaus

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    #26
    Look at blogging kings like Chow and Shoemoney . They have been hit by the PR and but now they did not decrease their price value instead they increased their links value .. So Now I dont think that link selling would stop at all and either adding no-follow or do follow will help or not
     
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  7. FFMG

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    #27
    The more I look at it the more it looks like everybody has dropped to a certain extent.
    Maybe G simply readjusted the values of all the known directories, (big or small), and are no longer counting the links from them.

    Or they simply don't give the same weight to links in menus, footers and headers, (as this is where anyone would traditionally put paid links).

    I still believe that is is very hard, (if not impossible), for Google to make the difference between TLA links and a normal link.

    FFMG
     
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  8. adone

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    #28
    hi all

    Although TlA already gets another way to get links for their customers.

    But the thing is that Google gives the weighted to the text paid links. I have few example those are getting back links from text paid links.

    thanks
     
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  9. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #29
    No, I don't think so. This was a process that included manual penalties and algorithm changes aimed at nullifying paid links. It was NOT only public or toolbar PR that was affected.

    A few sites got incorrectly punched initially but this was later adjusted. The majority of sites that were hit were buying or selling links for PR and rather blatantly at that.

    Perhaps. But in the case of directories in particular, I would expect that. And I don't believe it.

    To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports of TLA's death have been greatly exaggerated. They are still making money and still paying their publishers. They are also continuing to diversify.
     
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    #30
    Text Link Brokers and Text Link Ads will survive alright. It's just some webmasters got so freaked out by google's mind game.
     
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    #31
    Text Link Ads Released their Google Approved Text Link System: Scratchback.

    You can check for a review from my blog : bloggerdollar.com
     
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  12. FFMG

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    #32
    Or just have a look at their own site, http://www.scratchback.com/.

    FFMG
     
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    #33
    There are so many free links around whats the point in buying them anyway.
     
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  14. Boardwalk

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    #34
    Free links? Where?
     
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    #35
    I personally will only do business with people i know and trust in terms of selling links.Any of my high income sites is not worth the risk to sell links on them.I cancelled at least $4000 a month in link contracts for my sites since this last pr update , not worth the risk to buy either.
     
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    #36
    Well the thing is this.

    Google doesn't want people to buy, sell or trade links which attempt to game or inflate search engine results.

    And they will do whatever they can in their power to get rid of it or cripple it as much as they can.

    And Google is a big operation, around 10k employees back a year ago.

    The safe way is to use the nofollow tag or javascript but then the problems text link sellers face is that nobody wants to buy those.

    So it's a no win situation pretty much.

    Now the other thing is, even though there might be text link sellers around, but credible sites, probably won't be doing any business with them because they don't want to go against google.

    I mean there pretty much happy in getting their regular referrals from google as they do without engaging in any sort of artificial techiniques, IMO.

    There might be and always probably will be sort of hidden low profile text link sellers around, but medium to large operation setups of text link brokers, IMO, they might as well pack their bags.

    I could be wrong, but selling text links at this time is a territory which Google kinda doesn't want.

    But the thing is, the internet is filled with endless possibilities. I mean there so much opportunity there for a creative mind. I guess u just gotta put it straight.
     
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    #37
    I think he refers to the hundreds of free submission directories around.
    I makes sense that if you submit to a few hundred of them you will get quite a few links.

    You might even get a PR2 out of it, but nothing better really.

    FFMG
     
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  18. zxpro168

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    #38
    Google has been trying to detect and nullifying paid links well before this PR update. But to my knowledge, it is only the power of these links that are nulified, the link buying site iitself s not penalized any further. So the only penalty that the site receives is that the link that they have paid for does not work. If Google starts actively penalizing link buying sites, that would scare a lot of buyers away.

    " The majority of sites that were hit were buying or selling links for PR and rather blatantly at that."

    I would be extremely surprised and would be interested if you could give some references, particularly any results of surveys. The scale of the update makes it extremely unlikely that it was completely manual. I cannot see any automated methods used to detect paid links that would not penalize a lot of innocent sites.

    "Google doesn't want people to buy, sell or trade links which attempt to game or inflate search engine results."

    This is their official explanation, but the real reason is profit driven. Google wants you to acquire naturally without paying for them or using any sort of link exchange schemes i.e. other webmasters are supposed to find your site and voluntarily link to yours. Just how is a new site going to attract traffic in the first place? The answer is that you have to use Adwords.

    There are myriad of ways available which could make a paid link almost impossible to detect. The link brokers are already adapting to that.
     
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  19. trichnosis

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    #39
    i think that may change how you will sell and who you will sell
     
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  20. minstrel

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    #40
    I don't claim to know how their algorithms do what they do. However, innocent sites were hit initially, as I said, but I believe most are now back. I don't know if that's the result of further tweaking of the algorithms or manual intervention.

    That really isn't true, you know, no matter how many people repeat the myth. The thing is that organic linking takes time and most people want instant success - that's why they buy links. I've never used AdWords, and I've never bought a link. If you build decent content into a resource that people value, they'll link to you for nothing without coercion. Often, the only way I find out about a backlink is when Google alerts tells me about it.

    No doubt. The "black hatters" and "grey hatters" are always going to be one step ahead of Google. But if you fall for these schemes, your site will be vulnerable to either manual penalties or automatic drops as Google catches up.

    Short term it will probably work - for a while. Long term it's just not a good strategy, IMO.
     
    minstrel, Nov 6, 2007 IP