The emperor wears no clothes. Dubya...is the perfect example of this fairy tale

With this latest piece of news that Bush and Cheney okayed and directed the revelation that Valerie Plame was a CIA spy...we have the latest example of George Bush--The emperor wears no clothes. Wasn't President Bush the guy who said he was going to fire whoever leaked this information.

Come on, Mr President. Tell us something we can believe.

So far we've had

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq --NOT
Link between Saddam and Al Queda --NOT
The war will be quick --NOT
The Iraqi's will welcome us --NOT
The oil flowing from Iraq will pay for this --NOT
The insurgency is almost over --NOT


That is just Iraq. This is the same president who said "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie", and noone expected the levees to overflow. Wasn't he the guy we saw in the video tape being told that there was a great likelyhood for a disaster in New Orleans.

Okay....I'll be lenient on one of those claims....everyone thought there were weapons of mass destruction. Geez....even Saddam's general's thought he had them.

Still everything else he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Too soon to rewrite history.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...8apr08,0,1668626.story?coll=la-home-headlines

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/06/AR2006040602062_pf.html

 

The administration response about declassifying a document has nothing to do with Libby claiming that Cheney, through Bush, had him leak the information about the identity of a CIA/operative employee.

Classic case of double speak; not dealing with the issue.

As I recall, when the news came out that a person within the administration had leaked the identity of this agent, Bush said he would fire whomever was responsable for leaking the information.

By the way, within the argument about declassifying the document the press secratary said it was part of a process to further educate the public about the issues.

Whoa whoa whoa. How many documents did they declassify over time? This is a notoriously secretive administration.

Imagine being a CIA secret operative. Disagree with the administration or/worse yet...be connected to someone who disagrees with the administration...and the administration leaks your identity. Go ahead foreign spies. Kill him/her...we don't care.

Who would want to serve within the CIA and serve the country?

Which is why I referenced the old fairy tale, the emperor has no clothes.

If I remember correctly, in that story the emperor would ride around in front of the citizens while being naked. At first, with appropriate respect the citizenry would speak highly of the emperor. Finally someone blurted out that the emperor was wearing no clothes.

That is the way it is with this administration. Presenting things that are regularly not true.

I'm really not a dem or a republican. I'm pretty middle of the road.

It's stuff like this that has turned the population...and the polls against Dubya. Its stuff like this that has members of the republican congress step up against Bush and dispute his calls.

At this point I wish we had a parliamentary type of government where there could be a vote of confidence on the President.

Decisions cloaked in secrecy, horrible incompetency in implementing policies, and programs, and responses to the public that remind me that the emperor wears no clothes.

 

With this latest piece of news that Bush and Cheney okayed and directed the revelation that Valerie Plame was a CIA spy (sic)

This week's revelation does not link Bush to the Plame leak

See this post.

Millions of documents about Iraq were recently declassified and released:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49297

New reports about them are coming out almost daily, and will be for years to come. For example:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=1&issue=20060407

Intelligence is continuously declassified and as we can see, it's important to do so, to set the record(s) straight.

One *could* argue that a document was declassified to counter Wilson's claim. But one cannot argue, with integrity, that Bush and Cheney okayed and directed the revelation that Valerie Plame was a CIA spy when the prosecutor has made it clear they did not. To do so, sends a message that facts do not matter.

 

If those documents are substitive once they hit the light of day one would suggest that the administration would publicise them as they support the administration claims.

If not, then they are crap.

Here is an excerpt from court documents, supporting that Cheney directed Libby to give out the information on Valerie Plame's identity:

 

Incorrect. While sentences run on, together, it does not suggest at all Cheney directed Libby to give out information on Plame's identify. This is most likely why the prosecutor has already said Bush was not aware. It's not about Plame, it's about an NIE document. Not any different than the millions I noted above that have been declassified and already shedding additional facts.

Instead of a new paragraph, they give the illusion it's all the same, but it is not. What the defendent was INSTRUCTED to do stops here. And a new sentence beings with what his actions were. They were not about instructions he received.

It makes no indication whatsoever, that Bush or Cheney authorized anything more, than discussion on the NIE document regarding Wilson.

 

Good work GTech. Understanding the sentence structure. How do you know where to break the sentences? Were you there? Or are you one of the prosecutors taking testimony?

Are you suggesting Libby decided to do all this on his own? Are you suggesting he would disclose the identity of a CIA agent totally on his own? Why did he ask for legal advice on this?

The reason poll numbers for the administration are rediculously low are because people don't trust what is coming out of the mouths of the administration.

 

One cannot argue, with integrity, that Bush and Cheney okayed and directed the revelation that Valerie Plame was a CIA spy when the prosecutor has made it clear they did not. To do so, sends a message that facts do not matter.

Blind hatred for the president is not an excuse to willfully perpetuate a lie.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0410/p01s03-uspo.html

 

Currently, Dubya is not being investigated on this issue. It is too early.

Regardless. Who believes what he is saying. It is a classic example of that old fairy tale. The emporor has no clothes.

This is an administration that keeps virtually everything secret. They declassified one document at that time to assist in attempting to refute an argument and editorial from Wilson, who disputed the case that Iraq was purchasing equipment from Nigeria to make nuclear weapons.

Right after the article the administration and editorialist Novak made the case that Wilson's wife was with the CIA and she arranged for Wilson to be the person to investigate this situation.

Outing Valerie Plame was the reason for this entire investigation.


Who, in the administration, in their right mind, would expose a person working for the CIA.

What patriotic American would ever want to work for the CIA if your own administration would expose your secrets. (yeah work for the USA and spy against our enemies. If someone to whom you are related does something we don't like...we will reveal who you are. Let the bad guys know who you are.)

That certainly deserves an investigation.

Either Libby did this on his own or he was ordered to do it by his superior. Vice President Cheney is his superior. President Bush is Cheney's superior.

Who do you think urged Libby to make this revelation? The chambermaid?

The one claim Bush made that was believed around the world was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. People around the world believed it. (I believed it) The heads of governments receiving information from informants believed it. Iraq's generals beleived it.

I acknowledged that in the first post. It's everything else that Bush says since then that needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Down the line we will see if Libby and the prosecutors make an effort to pin this on Cheney and Bush. Right now it looks like one person's word against the other.

Of course, Gtech. The chambermaid could have made Libby reveal these secrets.

 

I think Newsweek article's title says it all:

The Leaker in Chief

 

Now that we've established facts do not matter...

 

Earl, you're wasting your time. GTech still stands behind the WMD claim...he claims they found the WMD.

So that's what you're dealing with here. - just FYI.

 

With the latest piece of news proving that liberals take EVERYTHING out of context.

EarlPearl goes along with the popular liberal mix on the subject. President Bush okay'ed the publicity, of already declassified files on the Iraq War. These files were merely statistics about the war having NOTHING to do with Valerie Plame.

But! Because ANYTHING with the word "classified" in it, being told to the press SOUNDS like the Valerie Plame case, EarlPearl and the liberal media have decided to soundoff!

If George Bush declassified documents saying UFO's were real, liberals would still be saying "SO YOU DID LEAK VALERIE PLAME's IDENTITY!"

When the subjects have NOTHING to do with eachother. If you're gonna bash him, bash him on other things. Like that he disbanded the Iraq army, putting 100,000 battle-trained muslims out of a job. Military errors that if any of them read Sun Tzu's Art of War, they would of never done.

Or that he's really a liberal at heart. Insane spending, creation of a BIGGER government via Homeland Security etc, doubling education spending after approving Hilary Clinton's no-child left behind disaster. His LIBERAL immigration stance, etc.

All liberal policies. Liberals should thank him. He's a moderate, not a conservative.

 

Bush's "straight talk" from 2003:

Is Bush going to pull a "Clinton"?

"It all depends on what the definition of "a leak" is..."

 

Wow. You think he didn't?!

He USED WMD on his own people years before.

The question is, do you really think Saddam didn't move the weapons to Ba'ath controlled Syria during Bush's lovely 24-hour warning?!

There was a huge scandal involving Russians and French caught in Iraq helping to move weapons.

The odd thing is, instead of fighting disinformation with fact, Republicans just go along with the flow and let people lie.

 

Here are some facts:

The population of the US is currently strongly unhappy with President Bush. The polls continuously show it. Republican members of Congress are terribly afraid.

The facts are that people are unhappy with this administration either because of seeming incompetence...and continuously telling another story..or they just don't believe words coming out of the administration.

The fact that the prosecutor hasn't charged Bush or Cheney YET...doesn't mean that they didn't go down the line and tell Libby to reveal Valerie Plame's identity...it is just too early on that issue for charging someone higher up.

After all Libby wasn't charged for years as an investigation moved forward.

I don't hate Bush. In fact I supported him through and after 9/11. I think he is way off track now.

Frankly, I don't think he is leveling with the American public at all.

By the way...who did get Libby to reveal Valerie Plame's identity?

 

Yep Cyrus...like I said the emporor has no clothes. He is not believable at all. Crazy crazy unmitigated spending...across the board in all sorts of programs. The big big government is not Just a result of Homeland Security. there is spending everywhere. Limited inflexible actions on prosecuting the war and the effort at recovery in Iraq. Probably, in hindsight, too few of ours and other allied forces over there and too many unemployed Iraqi's (many former military) who had nothing to do but create an insurgency.

On this issue of declassifying papers...versus revealing the identity of a CIA agent...so as to discredit her husband.

Why would people believe in an administration that screws its spies that are working on their behalf. No wonder this administration doesn't deal well with internal dissent.

Whether Bush or Cheney is charged at this time with ordering/telling Libby to reveal the identity of a CIA agent is not the issue.

The issue is "the emporor has no clothes" and finally the public realizes it

 

How did politics and religion ever come together.

It is like something from the fourteen defining characteristics of facism.

Bush needs to be impeached.

He broke the UN charter and the Nuremberg charter.

Not only has he lied to congress and the American public he has lied to the world.

Wtapgate has been laid out very clear by a SCOTUS case.

Youngstown Steel & Tubing Co. vs Sawyer.

Justice Black and Jackson made Eisenhowers powers clear.

It applies to other presidents since.

Impeachment is the only solution.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0343_0579_ZO.html

 

Guys GW thinkgs he is starting the end days, with the rapture coming, he doesn't care about debts or the environment, or anything long term because he thinks the world is about to end.

 

I am terribly afraid. As a Conservative, because he is moderate and painting us all the wrong color.

And as a citizen, because he has taken a socialist stance, making a BIG government.

What happened to, "get the government off my back, and out of my pockets!"

We don't need a homeland security. We knew about 9/11 months ahead of time. Don't get me started on NORAD's stand-down order. A jet fighter could of shot down those commercial airliners any time, but how would that look for re-election. Nobody gets re-elected as the President who shot down civilians.

Before 9/11, people were entrenched in government conspiracies, thinking the government was watching their every move.

9/11 made people think the government was incapable of that. Fatal error.