The Difference Between Historical Catholicism and Islam

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by KalvinB, Apr 17, 2007.

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    It's impossible to talk about Islam without the translation card comming up. Since we don't understand Arabic we don't know what the Koran really says. What's interesting about that statement is that it implies that countries which are ruled by Islam have citizens that all understand the Koran perfectly since it's in their native language and yet they still murder rape victims, murder apostates, etc. Nobody is trying to argue that Islam doesn't allow for such practices and working to change those laws. That would seem to indicate that Islam in its purest form allows this.

    Now let's contrast that to the Catholic church back in the day. Back when the Catholic church was running things and they were peddling silly things like indulgences, the Bible was only available in Latin. Only the educated people(such as those higher up in the church) could read Latin. The common person had no idea what the Bible really said so they just trusted the church to tell them.

    Then Martin Luther comes along and translates the Bible into the common language. The common person can now see how many things the Catholic church was teaching as Biblical that weren't actually Biblical at all. The Catholic church was forced to mend their ways.

    Since Islam isn't hiding anything from believers, no one can come along and open people's eyes to the "lies" that Islamic leaders are peddling to people. So why is it, if Islam has been hijacked, that despite knowing what exactly is in the Koran, nothing is changing in Islamic countries?

    Do Muslims in Islamic countries agree with all the practices that their Islamic leaders follow?
     
    KalvinB, Apr 17, 2007 IP
  2. Johnny Inferno

    Johnny Inferno Active Member

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    Ok, you're a young muslim male in a muslim country, if you oppose or even talk bad about the government you get murdered. If you really have the balls why don't you do it, many young people have tried, and died.
     
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  3. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    That was 8 years ago.

    What practices are Iran claiming are Islamic that the Koran expressly forbids?

    What religious beliefs is Iran forcing people to adhere to that are contrary to Islam?

    What Islamic groups outside of Iran are criticizing Iran?

    Questioning the Catholic church back in the day resulted in death as well. Martin Luther kept his head thanks to some friends who hid him from the church.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 17, 2007 IP
  4. CosmicRay

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    Look what happened after Latin was no longer the language of Christianity ...
    it splintered in 1000 pieces ... maybe a common language is the ideal ...
    hence the Muslims and Jews are smarter. :eek:
     
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  5. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    I'm not sure what language had to do with the splits.

    Jews are not entirely unified either. And neither are Muslims.

    The reason is because nobody can agree on interpretation. Everyone wants their holy book to agree with their ideas of things. Not too many people are willing to bend their beliefs to the book.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 19, 2007 IP
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    Josh Inno Guest

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    Islam is already split. Sunis and Shites are two groups fighting over who's historic originator was the true successor of Mohamed.
     
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    Language has everything to do with a religion.
    Ask any good Jew or Muslim or even ask any good lawyer. :D
    A single unifying language is definitely more advantageous.
    The Catholic Church also predicted that it would be shattered to pieces in the long run because Latin would no longer be universally used.
    This was one of the reasons they were against it.

    The translation issue should not be taken lightly ...
    a single comma in law can change the ENTIRE mean of a commercial contract.
    Imagine what an entire language can do.
    The Jews and Muslims are no fools or Hindus or others for the matter.
     
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    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    latin was only used by the church the germans (huns) still spoke german, the english still spoke english, long before the church came along. latin was used to hide it from the people, latin was not a common language like english
     
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    From what I have learned, it was common in Church ceremonies and taught in schools
    ... but it was not the street language, correct on that one. :)
     
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    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    ah yes, the schools that they had all over the place for the rich and poor alike huh? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. KalvinB

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    It was common in Catholic ceremonies to use Latin up until very recently. People would still go even though they had no idea what was being said. It just sounded nice and it was "tradition."

    If the common people had understood latin before Luther came around, why did getting it translated into German make such a huge dent in the Catholic church? Because everyone could now see what the Bible says, the Catholic church had to drop some of it's teachings.

    The other thing of course, was the printing press which allowed this translation to be cheaply printed and distributed. Previously it was very expensive to get a copy of the Bible.

    Even churches today teach things as though they are in the Bible that aren't actually in the Bible and people still believe the church rather than the Bible.
     
    KalvinB, Apr 20, 2007 IP