The Crescent of Islam is really a pagan symbol

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Just thought it would be interesting to some of you and wanted to get some input as well.

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As for the issue you raised, weâ€™d like to state that â€œthe crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the cityâ€™s flag even before the birth of Christ.

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

It wasnâ€™t until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the cityâ€™s existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Othman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five daily prayers, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and it is also not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in peopleâ€™s minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.

Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically adopted no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon.â€

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from:

http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa060401b.htm

The American Muslim scholar, Sheik Yusuf Estes, Director of islamtomorrow.com, and National Chaplain WAMY, adds:

â€œThe symbol of Islam IS NOT the crescent moon and the star, but it was used by the last Islamic Dynasty, the Ottomanâ€™s. The Ottoman Empire deemed it appropriate to use the star and crescent as their symbols, but not the symbols of Islam. I repeat, the star and the crescent moon are not a part of the religion of Islam. Because Islam is so strict on the concept of no other gods with Allah; and no images of any kind; it is a mistake to consider that Islam authorized the general use of such things. Additionally, Islam forbids the images (statues) of any kinds of humans, animals or any of Allahâ€™s creations, so how about using a symbol for Islam?â€

Read more:http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544398#ixzz0prllsFaA
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I don't think it was symbol of Islam. you mentioned it too.

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Islam

The crescent is commonly regarded as a symbol of Islam. While the symbol cannot be shown to have been used by Muhammad, it has undeniably become associated with the Caliphate.

The crescent was the symbol of the Sassanid Empire of Persia (Iran) and is prominently displayed on the crowns of its rulers.[1] It was also a symbol of the Ottoman Empire.
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While still in his teens, Muhammad accompanied his uncle on trading journeys to Syria gaining experience in the commercial trade, the only career open to Muhammad as an orphan.[45] According to tradition, when Muhammad was either nine or twelve while accompanying the Meccans' caravan to Syria, he met a Christian monk or hermit named Bahira who is said to have foreseen Muhammed's career as a prophet of God.[46]
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The story of Muhammad's encounter with Bahira is found in the works of the early Muslim historians Ibn Hisham, Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi, and Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, whose versions differ in some details. When Muhammad was either nine or twelve years old, he met Bahira in the town of Bosra in Syria during his travel with a Meccan caravan, accompanying his uncle Abu Talib ibn â€˜Abd al-Muttalib.[1] When the caravan was passing by his cell, the monk invited the merchants to a feast. They accepted the invitation, leaving the boy to guard the camel. Bahira, however, insisted that everyone in the caravan should come to him.[2] Then a miraculous occurrence indicated to the monk that Muhammad was to become a prophet. According to one version, those were the stigmata that Bahira found on the young Muhammad; other variants of the story say that it was a miraculous movement of a cloud or an unusual behavior of a branch that kept shadowing Muhammad regardless of the time of the day. The monk revealed his visions of Muhammad's future to the boy's uncle (Abu Talib), warning him to preserve the child from the Jews (in Ibn Sa'd's version) or from the Byzantines (in al-Tabari's version). Both Ibn Sa'd and al-Tabari write that Bahira found the announcement of the coming of Muhammad in the original, unadulterated gospels, which he possessed; the standard Islamic view is that Christians corrupted the gospels, in part by erasing any references to Muhammad.[1]
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Answered here:

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/what-is-the-significance-of-the-crescent-moon-in-islam/

Never was a fan of silly polemics such as these.

"And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship." [Qur'an, 41.37]

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This is sure to cause a stir blogmaster up to it again! Knows how to start an appealing thread heh? Im not quite sure ont he final answer but i will agree that it does resemble the pagan symbol. Would be really strange if that is where it was derived or just perhaps strange to me.

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Lunar deity

In mythology, a lunar deity is a god or goddess associated with or symbolizing the moon. These deities can have a variety of functions and traditions depending upon the culture, but they are often related to or an enemy of the solar deity. Lunar deities can be both male and female, and are usually held to be of the opposite sex of the corresponding solar deity. Male lunar deities are somewhat more common worldwide[citation needed], although female deities are better known in modern times due to the influence of classical Greek and Roman mythology, which held the moon to be female.
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Moon in mythology

The monthly cycle of the moon, in contrast to the annual cycle of the sun's path, has been implicitly linked to women's menstrual cycles by many cultures, as evident in the links between the words for menstruation and for moon in many resultant languages.[1] Many of the most well-known mythologies feature female lunar deities, such as the Greek goddesses Selene and Phoebe and their Olympian successor Artemis, their Roman equivalents Luna and Diana, Isis of the Egyptians, or the Thracian Bendis. These cultures also almost invariably featured a male Sun god.
Male lunar gods are also frequent, such as Nanna or Sin of the Mesopotamians, Mani of the Germanic tribes, the Japanese god Tsukuyomi, Rahko of Finns and Tecciztecatl of the Aztecs. These cultures usually featured female Sun goddesses.
The bull was lunar in Mesopotamia (its horns representing the crescent). See Bull (mythology) and compare Hubal. In the Hellenistic-Roman rites of Mithras, the bull is prominent, with astral significance, but with no explicit connection to the moon.
Also of significance is that many ancient pagan religions and societies are orientated chronologically by the Moon as opposed to the sun. One common example is Hinduism in which the word Chandra means Moon and has religious significance particularly during the Hindu festival Karwa-Chouth.
The moon is also worshipped in witchcraft, both in its modern form, and in Medieval times, for example, in the cult of Madonna Oriente.
While many Neopagan authors and feminist scholars claim that there was an original Great Goddess in prehistoric cultures that was linked to the moon and formed the basis of later religions,[2] the Great Goddess figure is highly speculative and not a proven concept. It is more likely that, if existent, the Great Goddess is based upon earth goddesses, such as Gaea of the Greeks. It may be noted that most of the oldest civilizations mentioned above had male lunar deities, and it was only later cultures â€” the classical ones most people are familiar with â€” that featured strong female moon goddesses.
The words "lunacy", "lunatic", and "loony" are derived from Luna because of the folk belief in the moon as a cause of periodic insanity. It is a feature of modern belief that shapeshifters such as werewolves drew their power from the moon and would change into their bestial form during the full moon, but this feature is largely absent from older folklore.
The purported influence of the moon in human affairs remains a feature of astrology.
The moon also features prominently in art and literature.
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Galactek Designs said: ↑

This is sure to cause a stir blogmaster up to it again! Knows how to start an appealing thread heh? Im not quite sure ont he final answer but i will agree that it does resemble the pagan symbol. Would be really strange if that is where it was derived or just perhaps strange to me.
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it all about "how to get traffic on your site" lol

As DP is webmaster forum, but this section is 80% dedicated for Islam/Muslims to discuss.

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Thank you blogmaster for this information,

I was thinking that it came to represent the Islamic calender which uses the moon to account for monthes.

"And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship." [Qur'an, 41.37]

What about the star in the zionists' flag? do you have any idea where it come from?

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Polite teen said: ↑

Thank you blogmaster for this information,

I was thinking that it came to represent the Islamic calender which uses the moon to account for monthes.

"And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship." [Qur'an, 41.37]

What about the star in the zionists' flag? do you have any idea where it come from?
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I'm glad you've asked. It was NOT used by King David, the closest scripture comes to mentioning it would be either the shield of Solomon or the Star of Rephan, both pagan symbols as well.

The Hexagram â€“ The â€œStar of Davidâ€ Lie!

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I'm glad you've asked. It was NOT used by King David, the closest scripture comes to mentioning it would be either the shield of Solomon or the Star of Rephan, both pagan symbols as well.

The Hexagram â€“ The â€œStar of Davidâ€ Lie!

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Thank you very much.

Just I have noticed in your link that it says that the star came when Solomon changed to paganism.

Well, this reminded me with a verse in the Quran translated as follows:

And they (the jews) followed what the devils gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Solomon. Solomon did not disbelieve, but the devils disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two (angels,) HÃ¢rÃ»t and MÃ¢rÃ»t, but neither of these two angels taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)." And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by AllÃ¢h's Leave. And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their ownselves, if they but knew. (102) [chapter 2].

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Seal of Solomon

A magic ring called the "Seal of Solomon" were supposedly given to Solomon, and gave him power over demons. The magical symbol said to have been on the Seal of Solomon which made it work is now better known as the Star of David. Asmodeus, king of demons, was one day, according to the classical Rabbis, captured by Benaiah using the ring, and was forced to remain in Solomon's service. In one tale, Asmodeus brought a man with two heads from under the earth to show Solomon; the man, unable to return, married a woman from Jerusalem and had seven sons, six of whom resembled the mother, while one resembled the father in having two heads. After their father's death, the son with two heads claimed two shares of the inheritance, arguing that he was two men; Solomon, owing to his huge wisdom, decided that the son with two heads was only one man. The Seal of Solomon, in some legends known as the Ring of Aandaleeb, was a highly sought after symbol of power. In several legends, different groups or individuals attempted to steal it or attain it in some manner.
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Solomon in the Kabbalah

Early adherents of the Kabbalah portray Solomon as having sailed through the air on a throne of light placed on an eagle, which brought him near the heavenly gates as well as to the dark mountains behind which the fallen angels Uzza and Azzael were chained; the eagle would rest on the chains, and Solomon, using the magic ring, would compel the two angels to reveal every mystery he desired to know. Solomon is also portrayed as forcing demons to take Solomon's friends, including Hiram, on day return trips to hell.
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Answered here:

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/what-is-the-significance-of-the-crescent-moon-in-islam/

Never was a fan of silly polemics such as these.

"And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship." [Qur'an, 41.37]
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The reason why the star and the crescent are used as the official symbol of Islam are not answered in there. It simply indicates that there is a passage mentioning the sun and the moon.

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oh... blogmaster you can see everything as conspiracy? i think your blog reader will be bored very soon

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oh... blogmaster you can see everything as conspiracy? i think your blog reader will be bored very soon
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My Facebook group is growing daily and they're only getting started.

You guys remind me to some of my Catholic friends when confronted with the fact that phallic symbols and paintings of demons are being used in their artwork.

This is the difference between accepting what someone tells you as fact and truly understanding a religion before you actually follow it.

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