The Conservative Argument FOR Net Neutrality

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  1. ly2

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    #21

    I guess. I refuse to change the way I feel about this. Internet service is, for the most part, a dual monopoly. If the government doesn't keep them under control, they will just screw the consumer. I have less faith in the telcos than I do the government if you can believe that.
     
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    #22
    You should trust neither, but I would certainly be more inclined towards the one that actually has competitors and has to be accountable to the marketplace. When the government f**ks up, no one gets fired, and they certainly never go bankrupt. Businesses have to be profitable and their employees productive, or they fail.

    I hate when people do this, but *fixed that for you*

    If the government keeps them under control, the government will just screw the consumer.

    The real answer is in encouraging a free market by removing the barriers to entry (legislation, registration, taxation), to create more diversity and an entrepreneurial environment which ultimately drives prices down and creates the opportunity for better customer service for the end user, the consumer.
     
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    #23

    You're kidding, right?
    Comcast & Time Warner
    And a very small number of smaller cable companies like cox.

    There is no competition, if there was, we wouldn't be paying the kind of money we currently do for shitty 5mb speeds. I have never lived in a town that offers more than one ISP cable provider. Comcast doesn't screw with TW's turf, and TW doesn't screw with Comcasts turf. They practice price fixing as well.
     
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    #24
    The only hope we have, if the government doesn't break up the dualopoly, is that Google lights up that dark fiber they have been buying. I would get no better joy in my life than watching comcast and TW get run out of business and file for bankruptcy.
     
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    #25
    Friend, the irony here is that your taxes *supposedly* paid for faster speeds that never materialized. That is because government is inefficient.

    You would have been better served with asking the Telco's to charge you double so that they could build the infrastructure. That way, my taxes are not spent speeding up your torrent downloads and need for *vanity* bandwidth.

    It's a liberal agenda that we all should pay for stuff that serves a special interest or smaller segment of the public. It's horsecrap.

    If you want faster speeds, get a switch and setup a dual connection. Then ask the government for the money back they gave to the TELCOs in tax breaks, because you solved the problem for yourself, by yourself, with your own money.
     
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    #26

    Well, thats why the government needs to tell them to honor their part of the deal, or face severe punishment. We paid for it, the telco's didn't deliver, period.

    It doesn't matter what I use my bandwidth for, that's not the point. The point is, they failed to meet their end of the bargain and the government isn't doing anything about it.
     
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    #27
    We paid for it, but I don't need or desire it. WHY AM I PAYING FOR IT?

    It does to me, because you approve my tax dollars being spent on it.

    So what exactly is your problem? An infantile hatred of particular ISPs or an obsession with expanding the realm of technological advancement via a socialist agenda?

    Because that is what I am reading. You want my money, so you can have more bandwidth, with the government leading the way in shaping the net by making more laws, and the result you yearn for is for (assumed) past ISPs of yours to go out of business.

    It's a pipe dream. THEY OWN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
     
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    #28

    I don't need to decide anything. I don't give a shit what party supports what idea. If I see something I don't like, then I will say so. Just so happens, 80% of the time, I agree with republicans. This isn't one of those times.
     
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    #29
    Well then you should probably end your crusade against liberals. Because you go out of your way to attack the democrats in this forum.

    Actually, you agree with the Democrats more often than not, and almost completely with the neo-cons who are centrists, not right wing conservatives.

    Frankly, I don't care if you support the communist party of America. Just be straight up and informed about your position.
     
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    #31
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

    The answers are out there, it pays to research them if you want to have an informed and powerful opinion.

    Role of government, big government, anti-free market policy, wars of aggression, nation building.
     
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    #33
    Tell you what, you can ask me a series of questions, any questions you like. And I will answer them honestly. Then you can tell me what you think I really am. (besides an asshole, we already know that much)
     
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    #34
    I don't think you are an a$$h0l3. I'll reply back tomorrow, although this might be better to take to PM.
     
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    #35
    Looking forward to your questions and judgment :D
    You could always start a thread for it: "What's LY2's REAL political party?!?"

    You and others can ask questions, then at the end everyone can decide how big of an asshole I really am :D
    I still think the result will be far right, but who knows, maybe I'm a lib LOL
     
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    #36
    I'm less concerned with your party, and more with understanding and perhaps both of us gaining some insight into your political leanings.

    Well, you have to accept that some of what the dems have stood for in recent history has a lot to do with partisanship. There was a time when the parties had ideals and foundation principles. That has largely eroded with centrist liberals like Clinton, and centrist republicans like the Neo-cons.

    Understand that government now exists only to serve its own growth, not family values, socialism, freedom, national defense etc. except when it is required to either (1) get elected or (2) increase the powers of government.

    Take the time to research, dig deep, look up history, and you'll have an improved knowledge on the subject.

    Fair enough, but if you cut down on the rapid fire Islamic threads, you could probably read an article or two every 3 days. Instead of spreading anger and derision, you could better yourself, for yourself.

    It's really up to you. Do you want to be a dumb @ssh0le or a smart @ssh0le? I'm trying to be the smartest @ssh0le I can be.
     
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