The Coming War with China?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Cyrus255, May 25, 2006.

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    China is currently National Socialist. They will outpace the USA within a few years and are already planning to use things such as Operation Shashaujian or "Assassin's Mace".

    It is a plan to defeat our 15 aircraft carrier battle groups in the pacific. Assasin's Mace is an operation designed to knock out our Satellite capabilities in the Pacific. Then they would use a barrage of missiles and torpedoes to take out the blind fleet.

    They are preparing for war with the USA. Why?

    Because war is inevitable. They are economically enslaved to us, and yet they have more brute power than us. So the result is easily predictable.
    1. China will probably dump its holdings of US Treasury bonds and switch to gold and euros.

    2. China will most likely attack Taiwan to finish their war that goes back 60 years as a tool of appeasement to old Communist sentiments.

    3. Another Prime Target is Myanmar. Over 50% of their oil comes from the region.

    Most people don't know but India has fought TWO wars with China recently. Both ending with Chinese gains. You know Kashmir? There is peace now because China came in and took a chunk the size of Switzerland. Pakistan and India had to come together to stop any further Chinese advances. There will likely be a third war with India.

    As the previous Deputy of Defense has said of the coming war, it is a question of whether China will "win or win less". Luckily the US has been proactive in securing a new Pan-Asian alliance as a deterrent. It is probably our one and only hope. Whether or not members would honor their obligations to fight China until they are personally attacked will remain to be seen.

    On a purely philosophical level, our consumer-based economy is no match for Fascist China. The strong prevail and fascism is the most efficient government type. Capitalism builds cars based on how many is most profitable. Fascism builds cars based on how many is most efficient. Capitalism = best for corporate profits. Fascism = best for the nation.

    Other arguments like that China's one child and abortion policies are "wrong" are interesting. China has merely chosen the most "efficient" path. Humans have always considered population control towards animals as "humane" and towards humans as "cruel".
     
    Cyrus255, May 25, 2006 IP
  2. Emperor

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    I found this paragraph to be the most interesting. Up until now I thought that socialism “not fascism” wasn’t productive??? If it was they would have better technology which they do not have. :confused:
     
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  3. bigdoug

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    Does anyone dought that China will not be the most powerful nation in 20 years?


    Could you imagine what life would be like if the US did not have nukes?




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  4. Gareth_Boyd

    Gareth_Boyd Well-Known Member

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    Oh my goodness wouldn't like China fighting UK, they got over 6 billion strong!
     
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    The end of the British Imperium has resulted in many problems such as this. Britain gaved power to the lambs and now are the lambs going to kill the old ex-shepherd.

    Take a look at Africa; chaos, wars and confusions started after the Europes Imperial powers left.
     
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  6. mcfox

    mcfox Wind Maker

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    They seem to have had a population explosion since yesterday then. Population of China is 1 billion. Population of Earth is 6 billion.

    I don't have a source to hand and can't be bothered looking for it but I recall reading about a Chinese general speculating about a war (any war with whomever) and he estimated that China's land army could take 80 million causualties and still remain a fully intact fighting force.

    80 million?! :eek:
     
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    The coming war, indeed.

    Pete
     
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  8. latehorn

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    Cyrus255, China is not growing because of fascism. It's because of their low GDP per capita that makes companies to insource production and hire cheap Chinese people. Theirs other capitalistic factors, also.
     
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    Did he mean population??
     
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    US+UK can't even take 1/10000 of that despite that UK + US consists has 1/3 of the chinese population.. yikes :eek:
     
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    Without nukes the US would be destroyed in less than one year if China invaded. We could not win a ground war with them, not even a remote chance.



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  12. Gareth_Boyd

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    Right face it, lets stay on Chinese's good side :p
     
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    I have to disagree with you for a number of good reasons. I just got through reading a book called the "Chinese Century," which is an excellent book talking about the Chinese economy and how they will shape the world.

    I don't think China will get into a war with the US yet, because it is not in their best interests to do so. This is not to mean that China cannot beat the US. The Chinese believe in a philosopy called the "Art of War" which was written by a military philosopher named Sun Tzu nearly 2000 years ago.

    One of the main teachings of Sun Tzu was to "win without fighting." This means to defeat your enemy without taking up arms against them. The fact of the matter is, China is ALREADY at war with the US.

    However, this war is a economic rather than military. And China is winning. They are flooding the US with cheap imports, and Americans in various industries are being displaced from their jobs. Few industries are safe, even those they are high end or upscale. China has also allied herself with powerful retailer like Walmart, Target, and the like. Chinese students are educating themselves at US colleges, but will return home to China in order to give assistance to their economy.

    People overestimate China. The biggest problem with China right now is that they are not innovators. They are dependent on technology transfer from US companies in order to thrive. Getting into a war with the US would weaken them. The whole thing about China attacking Taiwan at any minute is a deception.

    In reality, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea are working together to create a powerful technological power house. Despite this, China may not take kindly to the US attacking Iran. However, instead of getting into an all fight, they may simply aid Iran by providing them with weapons.

    Historically, China has not been like Rome. They were not imperialistic, though they had the ability to do so. They have always led by example.
     
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    Source link?
     
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    This is incorrect information.

    India and China have just fought one war - in 1962. China did not stop because India and Pakistan came together , but because it won the territory that it was claiming.

    Also , I dont think China will ever attack US - atleast not in the next 25 years. Firstly I dont think China has the military strenth to defeat US. Modern day warfare is not just about having enriched nuclear fuel. One needs technology to deliver the nuclear bombs accurately and fast and also a defence system that can detect and stop nuclear attacks. US definitely has a big technological advantage against China.

    Secondly China gains nothing from defeating or destroying US. China wants wealth from US and not territory.

    I do agree that China is interested in weakening the US economy - withdrawing it's investments in US bonds is just one of the ways to weaken it.

    Unlike their western counterparts, Chinese business houses have been reluctant to expand overseas in the past , but now they have started expanding themselves and making acquisitions worldwide. China's foray into Nigeria's oil industry is just one of them.

    Most westerners see India and China in the same light, but a closer look would show that both are very distinct. China is as much a threat to Indian ecomony as to the western economies.

    China's advantage is cheap labour.

    India cannot offer labour at Chinese rates. The only reason that India is surviving in this economic race is that India has a large English speaking population and till now has been offering better skills and quality products than the Chinese.

    Few years back when the Indian government opened up the Indian markets to Chinese automobiles , most people thought the Chinese would destroy the Indian auto industry. The Chinese can offer the same kind of automobiles that India manufactures, at half or one-third rates. However Chinese bikes and cars were a big flop in India. The reason - their rates were half but their quality was one-fourth. No one wanted to buy a bike that hardly lasted 5-7 years.

    However things are changing fast in China now. They have become more quality conscious now. I think India will lose both it's English skills advantage and quality advantage in years to come and would go back to it's "economic slumber". I think India is no match for the China.

    China is destined to be "the superpower" (some think it already is). There is nothing much anyone can do about it.

    The only thing that US (and other developed economies) can do is to make efficient use of resources and wealth.

    US's strength has been innovation. In the near future if US can come up with an alternative energy source, much of it's problems will be solved. A simple devalution of the dollar would again make US industries competitive in the world market. This is not possible right now because US has a large oil import bill.
     
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    Next is China or Iran??
     
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    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    It is unfortunate that top country regimes always think that war is final mark to show the power.No doubt china will show its power at its time.
    I think america is now enjoying its peak and soon it will have to come down.China would appear as supera power.
    Right now chinese don't feel as one nation because of people classess system,difference between rich and poor and human violation problems,Fear of establishment cruelity.
    I also think that chinese regime has sort out this problem and they will soon develop (may be end of next decade) sense of equality among chinese people.And at that time no nation or race in world can beat china.

    It is far better to focus on poverty elevation and removing hunger and disease in the world.But as i said it is unfortunate it has never happened before and will not happen in future.
     
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    China declaring war on us would be a disaster for both sides economically and socially. While there's possibilities for everything, I think it's more likely China was stop supplying America's debt hunger slowly, as it replace other countries as consumers.

    I see some rather dramatic things happening in 2015, when medicare will start running huge deficits, and we'll most likely kill that program within four years or god-forbide nationalize all of it. It all really depends on our immigration policy, and whether or not we allow millions of former illegal left-leaners to vote.

    Reducing our government taxes in medicine and SS would greatly increase the flow of currency and investment. In the long-run...if we don't screw things up...we'll be okay.
     
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    .. so US Govt ran out of enemy for the American public to justify it's existence after the Cold War and they have to make a new one ?...
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Only these three year olds can actually learn how to make better Nikes.
     
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