Convenient out for you. Dismiss. Kinda like Donald Rumsfeld. I'd advise you read the 9-11 Commission report and then drop this. If I have to post it, you're going to be seriously embarrassed. Supposing I play along for a minute, let's say that withdrawal is defeat. Then yes, I would be for defeat if it saves lives. We're past the stone age of fighting needless wars and incurring real deaths. Do you know how much we are in debt to the Chinese right now? Speaking of lives lost, I'm still anxious to hear why you will not fight, since you're a military man. Still want to threaten me with searching your 12,000 vacuous posts, or are you willing to man up and post it now? You mean fight for your King. Back to partisan name calling. Snore.. Zzzzzzzzz I thought you were going to bring some "game"? What freedoms did I steal off the backs of others? Members of my family fought in both World Wars. You can be damn sure that if we are under threat of invasion I will fight to defend my family and country. Don't make statements like that casually. It's forte. Don't forget that the French bankrupted themselves to help us defeat the English and establish an American Republic. As far as hog shit, I will leave that to you. I'm not from Texas or a farmer, so your experience triumphs mine. As far as giving you credit, I give you a lot of credit. For fostering hate, for running around here name calling and taunting, for jeering on the troops when you refuse to serve yourself. You are full of credit, just like the Chinese. How about I keep posting facts, and you keep dancing around them, spinning off excuses and reinterpretations. You may have been born a cowboy, but your talents lie in propaganda.
Now I feel bad for kicking your ass in my last post. I'm giving you credit for recognizing that we can't champion every crusade, and we can't always expect to win. What we can do is be a strong moral and economic ally. We can trade, we can negotiate and we can set an example for emerging nations. There is a reason why terrorists come from backwards, third world societies. They haven't been exposed to the truth of freedom or anything better. We can change that without guns. Ask Russia.
1) Japan attacked us first 2) I thought the new GOP reason for the war was to help the iraqi's... How would a nuke help them? 3) fight fire with fire? I don't remember iraq nuking us... Did I miss something?
I often dismiss dishonesty. No surprise it disappoints you. Embarrass me. I dare you! Embarrass me, I beg of you! I want to compare your dishonest words with the report. Take you time, no hurry. We may be past the stone ages, but islam is not. People die in war. That's why better men and women then you or I will ever be openly volunteer to do what you will not. You'd be better off living in France. Real Americans don't support your desire for defeat. I've covered this many times before. It's a tactic you use to shield your anti-American views. Whenever you get caught selling out your country, you ask why I'm not there. I guess in this case, you wanted to avoid answering if you had ever done anything for your country besides bitch, whine moan and complain. Your silence spoke volumes. No, I mean our country. There you go slandering soldiers again, suggesting that they all signup to fight for GWB. Unlike you, there are people in this country who actually care and are not afraid to do something for it. I did two enlistments in my time, back when you were breastfeeding. What have you done, besides tear your country down in a dishonest thread that you took no issue over? Aid and comfort? That's your problem... you tried to think. Trying to steal credit off the backs of your family members for something you wouldn't do yourself? What would have happened if they said back then they would only fight when invaded? What freedoms? How about the freedom to sit and bitch, whine, moan and complain about your country on an open forum and put down the service of those who are over dying for you? How about the freedom to sit and lie about losing pretend freedoms that you've never lost in the first place, that others have fought and died for? How about the freedom to express ( no matter how treasonous ), your battered wife, self-loathing, low self-esteem views about how bad your country sucks? How about teaming up with islamists and terrorist supporters to openly condemn your country based upon dishonest assertions? I stand corrected. Haven't used the term in a LONG time. Don't forget the French are a semi-free country today because of our help. But that would be too much for you to acknowledge, huh? Thank you. As such, it's very easy for me to identify, so you can take my word when I tell you that's what your posts are. Now you know. I've mentioned nothing of credit. I desire no recognition from traitors or those who openly aid enemies of our country. How about you actually post a fact? How about doing something besides selling out your country. Or is that all your family has been condition for?
my fight fire with fire slogan doesn't mean nukes are the fire. you just jumped in here tryin to be a shot caller/chop crawler, re-read some stuff
1) who should be "gutting these bastards"? Our troops? - a) have you thought about the psychological effect of that on our soldiers? - b) have you thought about the political ramifications? - - I) can you imagine how few countries would remain our ally? - - II) can you fathom how many more iraqis would suddenly become anti-american? 2) as far as your "that's war" comment... - a) isn't the new excuse for the invasion, that we're there to help them? - b) why do you believe that a more violence US force will help the iraqi people?
"I'm ok with you making a decision to look after the little guy. I'd rather you do it with your life and your money than with my families lives and their taxes." Who says your family will fight in my stead? Just for the record, i always put my life where my mouth is, i will be doing the military if i am medically able. And i'm not afraid to do what i have to do to make sure you and i still have the right to think for ourselves.
I'll give you credit for serving your country, but there's a big difference between talking about serving your country, serving your country, and serving your country in a time of war... As for "not afraid to do what i have to do...", you know the military's not really like the rambo movies right?
There's a difference in serving your country, serving your country in time of war and coming home to sell your country out too. Just thought I'd mention that. Military service doesn't excuse selling one's country out. Ask john murtha. He sold Marines out by convicting them in the media. They were later cleared. Murtha wouldn't apologize. But, since he's against the war, these treasonous actions are ok, for some.
Brother, if we attack Iran, there will be a draft. Count on it. If you go, just make sure you come back medically able. Be safe. Iraq can't establish it's own government. I'm not too worried about them coming over here and taking over ours. Not as long as we have our Second Amendment rights.
1) The hell do i care who guts'em, let the "crazy hillbillies" do it. Also, they don't have to be gutted, i'm emphasizing the fact that we need to have a tougher- in your face "policy". b) you analyze things too much. i can't think of a political ramification worse than what we have now.. people who are doing in office whatever approval polls tell them. it seems nobody has opinions of their own anymore. 2) It must be hard for someone like yourself to understand these things.. we're there to help anyone who wants to be helped and wants to be free, that includes protecting ourselves. we're also there to kill terrorists. Yeah i hear ya, we're in a shitty situation, that's cause Bush and every politician is watered down from this mind boggling liberal thought. If i were in office we wouldn't have these problems, i'd keep things real simple. But i'm not in, we're trying to mix war with diplomacy and thats pretty hard. We send mixed notions because of our media and confused politicians. If i could vote in a janitor to lead this nation, i would. He wouldn't have any hidden agenda or interest, just use common sense.
wtf in my post made you think i think it's like a rambo movie? do i have to reword it? I'm not afraid to lay down my life in any circumstance if it's for my country.
By "selling out your country", you mean "hoping for a withdrawal to save US lives, because leaving them in harms way in over 4 years with the goal of stopping a 1,300 year war in ignorant?" Which conflicts did you serve in, GTech? Do you think there's a chance that you want to leave our troops there so you can vicariously live through them? They're getting to see the "action" you never got to see? What you don't realize is that there's no reset button; our guys are dying, for ever, permanent...
If we attack Iran we'll be using air power not infantry, don't foresee a draft anytime soon. Also glad to see you are a fan of the 2nd amendment lol
That's a horrible argument... I can think of many... What? Someone like me? You mean, "me" as in a person posting on this forum, or "me" as in a multiple-tour OIF vet?
You're right.. "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." -George Patton but if that doesn't work, i'm ready to deal with the consequences
Nope. By "selling out your country," I mean what you are doing. Demanding defeat for your brothers in arms. That's a sell out. There were no conflicts when I served. With you past history of ridiculing the service of others (something I've never done to you), it wouldn't surprise me that you'd want to use that against me somehow. I joined the Army straight out of high school. While in basic training, shit was going down in Lebanon and we were told time and again that we may very well deploy there. I was ready...as ready as any 18 year old out of high school today that honorably enlists to serve their country, despite people like you wanting to tell them they are defeated for doing such. Remember one thing. I've never attacked your service. I've thanked you for your service. I take issue with what you are doing after that service. By your question, it seems that anyone who hasn't served in conflict doesn't have the right to have a voice. That's really a shame.
I'd suggest that you not be so willing to die... Dying for a worthy cause is noble, but remember, there's no reset button... So make sure the cause is worth it...
"What? Someone like me? You mean, "me" as in a person posting on this forum, or "me" as in a multiple-tour OIF vet?" You as in a liberal lol or atleast what appears to be one.