Texas Authorities Raid Polygamist Compound(400 kids taken from a polygamist compound)

You missed out a vital piece of information;
"Authorities did not say whether a call by Swinton might be the one that triggered the raid."

I guess the innocent until proven guilty thing isn't too important after-all.

 

Do you support the government taking away your children with out any solid proof that they have been abused?

 

Sect children will stay in state custody, judge rules

Hundreds of children who were taken from a polygamist ranch by Texas child welfare authorities will remain in state custody, a judge ruled Friday night.
Judge Barbara Walther also ordered court DNA testing for all 416 children who lived at the YFZ (Yearning For Zion) Ranch in Eldorado to determine their biological parents.
The compound is run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a Mormon offshoot that practices polygamy.
Walther made her ruling after two days of testimony at a hearing to determine whether the children were properly removed by child welfare authorities.
Walther said she found sufficient evidence for Texas Child Protective Services to keep custody of the children.
Officials are now looking for "the very best temporary placements for these children," said Marleigh Meisner, CPS spokeswoman.
"This is not about religion -- this is about keeping children safe from abuse," she added.

Full text : http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/18/polygamy.custody/index.html

 

Are you claiming there isn't enough proof to warrant the protective intervention?

 

It is interesting how anybody who you don't like is guilty without any evidence and everybody else is innocent independent of what evidence exists since if they were guilty then it proves you wrong.

 

How do you overlook the clear evidence of child abuse in the form of pregnant teenage girls with babies & toddlers in tow?

When the investigators asked for a 16 year old girl named Sarah, the men replied there were no Sarah's at all. Turns out 5 girls are named Sarah, and at least one of them has a child.

If there was no child abuse, why would the men lie when they asked for any teenage girl named Sarah?

Because they know what they are doing is wrong, and they were trying not to get caught.

 

Let's arrest everybody in state of Nevada and put every child in that state under state care.

I almost forgot that teenage pregnancy rate among blacks is 134 per 1,000, so we shouldn't forget to arrest all blacks too.

 

I have made it perfectly clear many times that nobody besides their leader is currently guilty of anything. I made it perfectly clear that the only action i currently support is the investigation of a cult accused, suspected and in one case proven to be sexually abusing children. But don't let facts and the truth stop you being an intellectually dishonest liar.

Yes. Do you support the government doing nothing in face of claims that your children are being systematically sexually abused and beaten?

 

You should stop looking in the mirror while you are posting.

 

Uh oh, It appears a seven year old has taken control of gworlds computer. He must have outsmarted him....

 

No, it is me but I take no credit for outsmarting you since any child can outsmart you.

 

Dozens of sect children moved to foster care
About 100 of the 437 children taken from a polygamist sect's Texas ranch amid allegations of sexual abuse were moved Tuesday to foster homes, the Texas Department of Health and Family Services said. But a spokesman for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints families quickly criticized the transfer.

"This was done without prior notice to their attorneys or to their families," Rod Parker said.
He accused the state's Child Protective Services Department of being "afraid of due process."
The FLDS also launched a Web site this week to promote its side of the issue.The site contains photos and videos taken inside the YFZ (Yearning For Zion) Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, during the raid earlier this month.
Officials have revised the number of children taken from the FLDS compound, which originally stood at 416.
The initial count was rushed, they said, and they have discovered that some females were not 18 or older, as they claimed. Those young women are now being counted as minors.
The children moved Tuesday have already had DNA samples taken as part of ongoing testing to determine their biological parents, officials said.

They were loaded onto buses and moved from San Angelo Coliseum, where they were being held.

full text : http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/22/polygamy.testing/index.html

 

ahhah here you go

Texas 911 Calls Linked To 33-Year-Old in Colo.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../04/23/AR2008042303551.html?hpid=sec-religion

 

"facts surrounding the first phone call had become irrelevant because the raid turned up independent evidence that underage girls had been impregnated."

"The removal was based on our investigation. It was not based on the initial call,"

 

yes yes thats what someone said somedays ago...

ps. rush and edit your posts....

 

There wasn't any reason to assume the police fabricated the call and your post proves they didn't. In fact, The police done the exact opposite. They have come out and said that the call may have been made by someone outside of the ranch, Though that is yet to be proven.

Regardless though;
"facts surrounding the first phone call had become irrelevant because the raid turned up independent evidence that underage girls had been impregnated."

"The removal was based on our investigation. It was not based on the initial call,"

 

Someone needs to go raid the public high schools & save the kids from that environment too, then.

 

I'm sure if it was systematic and suspected of being a fundamental aspect of that particular school they would raid it.

 

What is irrelevant is that there should be no investigation without probable cause. And if the phone call was bogus, there was not probable cause.

I have little doubt this case will be swept under the rug because the state doesn't seem to have enough evidence to justify taking these kids away from their parents.

 

This is flawed.

Probable cause is a standard by which authorities may reasonably believe a crime may have been committed, or is in the process of being committed, warranting an investigation.

The probable cause was tripped by the phone call. An investigation ensued. The decision to remove was based on the investigation, and not the phone call. If the phone call later turned out to be from a loon, this doesn't negate the right action, in this case, of a phone call that expressed an imminent danger to the children, calling in a rightful response; the response and subsequent investigation warranted removal in the judgment of local authority.

I get wisps of Waco reminiscence here. There, an investigation was tripped under probable cause when the local sheriff's department was apparently tipped by a UPS driver that a package containing illegal ordinance broke open on delivery to the compound. It was reasonable to initiate an investigation. That the ATF blew it later on does not negate the initial probable cause, tripping a rightful initial investigation.

It is interesting to me that many of the people on this forum who most vociferously call for further investigations into 9/11 conspiracy theories, deny even initial investigatory diligence in this instance.