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So you're saying that you haven't invested in yourself, and generated any revenue?

Where did your clothes, food and shelter come from? Did the Nanny State magically create them with it's Star Trek Replicators?

If you haven't earned any revenue, interest or profit, might I suggest that you are bad at living?

When women argue for the right to choose abortion, the argument is that "it is their body". So do they own their body? Or do they not?

Property in the sense that something can be owned, the real issue is ownership. In lieu of using the words property or ownership, how would you explain your sovereign control over yourself? Or do you not believe you are in control of yourself?

 

The problem with this entire line is that it conflates two entirely separate things. Market anarchy poses private property as a natural phenomena and the zenith of human society, and so it constructs all other human activities around such a notion, conflating things to the ridiculous, but unfortunately using such conflation to then construct a theory of anarchy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Private_property

I also "own" the air I take in with each breath. Is it "property?" Do I "rent" it, or "own" it, from the guy who breathed it out yesterday, his having "deeded" it to nature, it then having been stripped of carbon by nature and presented as a new "product" for me to "acquire" by contractual arrangement?

Tomorrow, I am placing an ad in the business announcement section:

There - that helps to clear up a bunch of things.

This isn't personal to Guerilla, though I suspect it may be seen as such by some. It is a rejection of the notion that market-anarchy or anarcho-capitalism makes any kind of sense whatsoever.

 

When the mood hits me, sure. Why, are you offering?

You need to try hooked on phonics are something. That or RIFF. These are two programs that will likely help you in your basic reading and comprehension skills.

I mention this since you mis-interpret everything anyone says that you do not agree with.

No, what I am caught in, is the continual attack, bashing and malarky uttered from your comfortable chair.

That I choose to continue to converse with you is what keeps me "caught up". I've mistaken your past posts as warranting an intellectual discussion that might actually be quite invigorating.

Now I only respond for sheer amusement.

Ditto...

Life's far too short to take anything too serious on an internet forum. Its not like Congress is listening to anything we say.

 

Yep, I know, pal. I misinterpret everything said by folks with whom I disagree, and you are the most unbiased guy on the "webby," isn't that what you called it?

Enjoy the beautiful place, Jer. Clicking your heels will keep you there, I promise.

 

I must not explained it properly since you totally misunderstood me. I do not believe in society as a separate entity from individuals that make it and therefore, SOCIETY CAN NOT HAVE ANY GREATER GOOD OR RIGHTS.
Society is only an organizational tool to defend the rights of individuals and enforce their obligations.
As soon as you start about collective rights, you will inevitably start a discussion about which rights must be prioritized and then you are pretty much on your way to hell.

 

NO, I just repeated that term "webby" after it was already said by someone else...

There's no place like home.

Ya think?

 

I believe I understood your point, Gworld - society is nothing more than an aggregation of the individuals making it up, and we employ tools - the law, for one - to best protect ourselves. That about it?

 

Jesus, Jeremy - piggybacking on others' posts now in the hope you can better defend something indefensible? Here, since we seem to be in the land of using others to make our points for us, allow me to post a thought, received in response to this thread:



(Much more - edited to preserve the privacy of the sender). I happen to agree with the sentiment.

 

Now you got it.

But you should have explained my whole thought:

and therefore society has no greater good or special rights over the individuals.

I think Bertolt Brecht, has a play that explains this concept quite well when the individual refuses to sacrifice himself over some imaginary benefit to collective.

 

On the issue of self-ownership, I highly recommend this 8 minute YouTube video. It's a crash course in the philosophy of liberty, property rights etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWHmehAH28

 

But since the parents invest the seed capital and do the necessary work, shouldn't you belong to them as a profit and growth of original capital from their venture?

Also if your life is a property then if I buy you and then decide to kill you, it shouldn't be a crime since I am destroying a property that belongs to me, right? How about if I buy a man and a woman and decide to pair them, so I can grow my herd, will their child legally belong to me or do you think the child will have right to his/her life as own property?

 

This is good. I need to think it over to make sure I understand the answer before I give it. Thanks.

 

Egads are you still on this race kick again? Give it a rest. I've got nothing to hide, and certainly nothing to defend. Anyone that knows me, knows were a I stand. Clearly you and your friend have some issues. Its one thing to constantly berate someone publicly like you do, but to continue it in private as well, one has to wonder what you do with your day when you are not attacking me.

 

I thought the answer should be clear according to your philosophy but no problem, I will wait.

 

I don't doubt that the answer is sound, I do doubt my ability to communicate and defend it.

Sorta like you and Marxism.

 

Give it a try, if it is sound then it shouldn't be hard to defend it.

Don't worry, I can defend Marxism any time. I am just too lazy to type many pages when I can simply refer you to read the Capital which explains it much better than if I tried.

 

lol.

I think I will pass. I could defend it to your privately (PM me if you like) but I am not going to defend it publicly on this forum.

 

LOL. Come one, don't be joy killer, let's discuss it.

May be trying to fit everything from real world in some Utopian economic theory doesn't make as much sense as you thought.

 

The answer is fairly utilitarian, and in case you haven't noticed, I seem to have finally shook my shadow. I'm not going to post anything to bring him back.

Lemme know if YOU really care, I'd be happy to PM it to you, but I don't feel like going through another round of "defend myself from socialists and authoritarians" again.