Terror Alert!!! Bush Quips He Might Stay in Power

Perhaps ron paul shouldn't have given the impression he supports those conspiracies. That's what attracted these types of "people" to him in the first place.

 

Yes, Noni Juice is crazy. Arrest all of the juicers.

Ron Paul is relatively big with the Christian Right, the Free State Project, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Reagan Republicans and Reagan Democrats. You don't build a campaign this big, particularly given his relative national obscurity without appealing to a large contingent of the people.

Yes, he appeals to the conspiracy nuts. He advocates transparency in government. I don't think many of us like a secretive government. Ron Paul also advocates and has written books on, participated in many speaking events for, the history of American Foreign Policy. When Rudy Giuliani demagoged for cheap applause, Paul's campaign took off because anyone who has read the 9-11 Commission Report knows that he is speaking truth. Truth to power.

Rudy screams, 9-11, 9-11, when I was the mayor, 9-11, I was 9-11, I made love with 9-11, I saved people with 9-11, I am the champion of 9-11.

Perhaps Americans should hear what the NY FD thinks of Rudy Giuliani and his responses to 9-11.

Ron can no more be responsible who claims to be his supporter than who claims to be your supporter. We all have our nutbag entourages.

I kinda feel bad about the Foreign Policy issue between you and I. I feel like Paul would be a decent candidate or at least one worthy of your consideration on the remainder of his platform.

One day perhaps, I will be able to engage you in a debate about the economic consequences of our foreign policy, and how going bankrupt like the USSR is a real and serious potential outcome.

 

I know. And its such a small contingent too of creepy little supporters. The white supremicists are all about Paul. The anti-semitic types are all about Paul. And the truthers are all about Paul, too. Oh yeah, and now we have paulbots using terrorist slogans to support their candidate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_9fip694A
(at 56 seconds, it sums it all up for me!)

Rudy came forward to denounce the morons with the 9.11 fundraiser, wonder why Paul isn't asked (or even required) to do the same from his more "main stream" supporters

 

He is an idiot. He has got only 91 IQ but he is a prime minister. Always sucks. He blames other people like terrorist but biggest terrorist is Bush. Everybody know this truth.

 

you don't seem to understand his message sounds good to everybody

 

With Ron Paul taking the "states by storm" i would guess Ronald?

 

Apparently the White House are embarrased because Putin speaks better English than Bush does.

 

Actually, if you go to Stormfront or whatever that white supremacy site is, apparently in the forum people are divided on him, because he doesn't represent their "entire" agenda.

What is an anti-semitic type? An American intellectual or patriot? C'mon Lorien, you know better, that's why you didn't answer my question about lobbyists. Paul is actually FOR the Israeli moderate movement, by staying out of Israeli (non-interventionism) affairs. The recent attack by air in Syria was not approved by the US, but a great example of how Israel can defend itself.

What terrorist slogan? The quote refers to the role of citizens against the government. The Founders used similar language, albeit not quite as aggressive.

Rudy never denounced them. He said what Paul will likely say. It wasn't organized or sanctioned by the campaign.

Which is exactly what the 5th of November is about. Paul is just the man running, the messenger, not the message itself.

I'd be happy to debate with anyone here, any topic from the perspective of Ron Paul vs. another candidate of their choice. Or are we just voting for faces?

 

Rudy did and he gave the donations back as well.

Ron Paul's messengers are out there telling everyone what he thinks, aren't they? I'm kinda surprised you aren't even alarmed at who supports him and say anything negative about them, given that you say you support him. I do think it'll be a hoot if David Duke goes marching door to door for Ron Paul - cuz he's another supporter of his. Isn't that wonderful?

I didn't investigate the fully, but I'm glad you did . And the jihadists on their forums aren't in full support of Paul either; but they are friendly to the idea. I think that's enough, personally. And again, I'm forced to wonder - hey, why isn't guerilla just a little peeved that the neo-nazis are out there stumping for Paul.

You didn't watch the video, did you?

It's not about what Paul believes right now. Understand that. It's about what his supporters claim he believes - and you know it is attracting the anti semite jew killing morons.

Since Paul is relying on these people to get his word out, he must know they are doing it. His inability to denounce truthers, nazis, etc really is saying a lot about him.

 

I wasn't aware of that, admittedly I don't follow Rudy's Campaign very closely. Do you have a link so I can read up on it?

This is what happens in a democracy. Would you rather restrict everyone from promoting a candidate? I'm not alarmed by what people say about him because I listen to and read about his platform, to the tune of thousands of words, and probably 200+ hours of audio. I'm voting for Ron Paul, not the guys who promote him, whom I can neither control, not educate in a large and meaningful way.

At this point in the campaign, we're moving past the attack phase of confronting everyone who will try to diminish Paul and his platform. Months ago, you guys didn't even give him enough credit to think he would last to the end, let alone likely finish in the top 5 or better. Now he is a top 4 fund raiser, and the attacks on him are centered around hearsay and guilt by association. Nothing he has said in particular, nothing he has done.

Feel free to continue the attacks, most of the work now is education, fund raising and getting boots on the ground. If you don't like Ron or his supporters, then do not vote for him. Promote the candidate you feel best represents your views and interests. That's how democracy works. Arguing every point that someone outside the campaign makes doesn't help Ron win the nomination. I'm not going to engage in that unless it is an opportunity to better explain his positions, and provide more information on his campaign.

So I should abandon or condemn the candidate I feel best represents my views and interests, because someone else claims to speak of him in a negative manner? What power do I, or Ron Paul have over this? We're trying to win a nomination, not master the art of spin and damage control.

Paul is not relying on "these people to get his word out". It's spontaneous, and per FEC guidelines the campaign cannot be affiliated with the grassroots without bringing in a ton of oversight, which is why they have intentionally tried to stay at a safe distance from the viral campaign.

Paul has made it clear for the record that he does not support "group" rights, but individual rights. He's also made it clear that he does not believe 9/11 was an inside job. Thankfully, he refuses to get bogged down in self-defense and continues to promote his platform of freedom through self governance, economic freedom through limited government, and a return to traditional American Constitutional law.

 

Btw Lorien, you still have not answered my question regarding your position on foreign lobbyists for American taxpayer funded aid.

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/...or-911-checks/?mod=homeblogmod_washingtonwire
Now, can you wonder why RP doesn't denounce the morons that are trying to bring money to his campaign? He's totally silent on the issue. Why is that? It seems RP caters to morons who are on his side; other candidates distance themselves.

Once again. Dodging the issue. The fact that RP does not say anything about the groups bringing in large sums of money to him says a lot, doesn't it? If I were a candidate and truther morons were bringing me millions of dollars of mom's allowances, I'd say not interested. How about you? If I realized that a bunch of neo-nazi's and anarchists were trying to raise $10 million for me, I'd say no thanks. How about you?

Who asked? I believe my comment was that you cannot say anything negative about the nazis, truthers, anti-semites who are driving money to the campaign. And you've done it again. Congrats

You are still running about with irrelevant comments. Not sure why you are missing the point.

Was this from the other day? I don't have a problem with foreign aid. But, I think that any country who receives foreign aid should keep their trap shut if they disagree with our policies. If they don't like what we are doing and they speak up - oooo sorry you've lost your aid. I certainly don't think you should have an obsessive desire to diminish Israel's foreign aid - when if it were stopped, Israel wouldn't exist for much longer. Just being realistic.

 

a point of trivia
rudy tried to extend his term too but that effort didn't go that far

 

I could wonder about it. But even if he denounced them today, he'd be vilified for not denouncing it earlier. As I've said, I'm more concerned with fund raising, education and generating boots on the ground, via delegates and measurable grass roots campaigning. I simply cannot answer for Ron Paul, all I can say is that given what I know about Ron and his history, these are non-issues for me personally. Others are welcome to be concerned if that is their prerogative.

I'm not sure that truther's are able to bring in more Q3 money than Tancredo, Hunter, Keyes, Huckabee and Brownback combines. I do know that Ron is popular with Gun Owners, No-Tax activists, Homeschoolers and Veterans. I'm sure some people have issues with some or all of these groups as well.

You aren't implying that by my donations, I am a "truther moron"?

Strawman argument.

Thanks for answering. I think we can both agree that less taxes would probably restrict our ability to offer foreign aids that lobby aggressively.

Someone recently posted a thread about how successful Israel's economy is, and of course we know they have a formidable and very high-tech military. I'm not quite sure that they would no longer exist. They have been able to negotiate peace with countries like Egypt, and perhaps not having the specter of bigger brother America looming over the situation, would encourage all parties to work towards finding common ground and peace. I certainly don't agree with mixing our national interests with Israel's and likewise. I don't think it is healthy for either country.

Most military conflicts are resolved diplomatically or economically. Perhaps it's time to work on what has a proven record of success, because I don't think Iraq or Vietnam are shining examples that military interventionism works.

 

Much of this thanks to our aid. They buy military equipment from us because of our aid. I, personally, would only consider Israel's economy cuz of the dirt farming civilizations that surround them. I believe their unemployment is over 10%, a low economic growth rate - if any at all, per capita GDP is lower than european countries, Etc. I'm not sure how you'd consider that "successful" - successful under the durress they are under perhaps.

See, again, I'd focus on the countries around them that invest their oil income on trying to obliterate Israel than I'd spend blaming the victim. If you are against aid for Israel, I'd be -for- trying to get these surrounding regimes to stop blowing up Jews. But oddly, the focus/blame is on Israel.

So you are equating gun owners, homeschoolers and veterans with the neo-nazis, truther morons and anarchists. That's a very good job, guerilla.

When did I imply that? Feel bad of your association if you want, but don't assume I'm leading you down that road. K?

Alex Jones, etal do quite well getting their legs humped by these people. Not saying that its where they all come from, but you've seen his support online. Face it, guerilla - star wars truther geeks who live in mom's basements drawing swastikas on the walls do sum many of them up quite well.

So your argument is that, he shouldn't today because he didn't yesterday. Excellent.

How so? You say your support is genuine and true. It should really shame you that you have truther morons in your corner and neo-nazis rallying to your side too. That you are reluctant to say so, is just a tad alarming.

 

Hahaha I saw on TV the other day when he mixed Australia with South Africa ? Or what was it? That was hilarious.

update: it was Australia & Austria

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070907/APEC_BUSH_070907?s_name=&no_ads=

 

Many NYFD leaders are actively opposing Rudy every chance they get.

 

Stop blaming your parents for who you are and take responsibility for your life and try to change.

 

The reason why israels economy is booming. We are paying for it!!!
Fact Check:
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

U.S. aid to Israel is $3 billion per year—$1.2 billion in economic aid and $1.8 billion in military aid. As impressive as this figure is, however, since it represents about one-sixth of total U.S. foreign aid, the true figure is even more remarkable.

 

^ well, thats obvious.....I dont get either what US gains from this. Officially it gains a "democratic justice" Unofficially, I believe theres much more than that.