Teen Murderer Says Jail Is Too Hard, Appeals Sentence

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by KalvinB, Dec 5, 2006.

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    http://www.wftv.com/news/10458584/detail.html

    The judge denied his appeal and has also seen fit to denying parole for the duration of the sentence.
     
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  2. andheresjohnny

    andheresjohnny Well-Known Member

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    This is priceless. I hope his jailhouse dance-card is full too.
     
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  3. Josh Inno

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    Ouch. I don't really think that the boy has learned his lesson at all, and I think the judge doesn't see much hope for him learning it any time soon.

    Jail is SUPPOSED to be hard.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    You mean he only got 22 years????????Homeless people have a tough enough time getting through life without some idiotic teens jumping on top of them:mad:
     
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  5. Josh Inno

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    Definitely. I have no idea how I would get any kind of job if I started out applying for one while homeless. *Sigh* And not everyone on the street can be blamed for getting there initially either.
     
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    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    ^^Oh but everyone in prison can be blamed for being there ...... funny way of thinking....
     
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  7. Josh Inno

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    Did I say that? No. I said that Prison is supposed to be hard. It is supposed to be a punishment, in order to make people fearful of going to prison, so that fewer crimes will be committed. The lack of fear of the prison system is at least partially to blame for the crime rate in America.

    Now, at no point in any of my posts in this thread have I said that innocent people don't sometimes go to jail. I think this is by FAR A minority, but I think that there are some, here or there. Mostly because of the attitude some common citizens have that if the police arrested a person they MUST be guilty.
     
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    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    You have to admit it's a bit of a double standard, I know mothers are preprogrammed to protect thier children, but it's perfectly fiesable that he did fall in with the wrong crowd, same as it's perfectly fiesable that a homeless person can be on the street as a victim of circumstance.

    22 years is a long time, in jail or not, this child has to live in the knowledge that he's taken someone elses life, that's no easy thing to do, and theres no way he doesn't feel any remorse, I'm just saying theres no point destroying two lives.....
     
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  9. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    He doesn't feel any remorse. He's just concerned about himself. That's why he's not getting parole. He admitted to the crime and said he had no remorse doing it. The only reason he's sorry now is because of prison. Not because of what he did.
     
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  10. Josh Inno

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    I disagree. I do not think that the opinion I talked about is a double standard at all.

    If someone chooses to associate with the wrong kind of people, that is a choice, just as someone running up debt living beyond their means is a choice. However, that person, child or no, chose to assault another human being, and held no qualms about it at the time. If that person feared going to jail, it is possible that in fearing the punishment, he would not have taken that action, despite being influenced by friends. Fearing jail may have encouraged that young male to associate with people less likely to land him there.

    Falling in with the wrong crowd and allowing them to convince you to murder another human being is different from, say, being accused by members of that wrong crowd of being the murderer, and thus being falsely convicted.

    I don't see any point in destroying two lives either. Unfortunately, the young man that ruined both of those lives did not think about that at the time.

    A homeless person may be homeless due to wracking up large amounts of debt on medical bills for an expensive and life threatening medical condition, and due to being gone from the office, may have lost their job. The debt, strained credit, and lack of income could then easily land them in the situation of not being able to pay rent, thus landing them in the situation of being homeless.
     
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  11. krakjoe

    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he chose to associate with them maybe he didn't, who knows, the point is, he's just a kid, how many teenagers have you ever heard say they are sorry at the first opportunity, I just don't think it's very objective to keep him in jail, in 22 years when he's going to get released his life will be over already, I'm not saying they should let him out entirely, obviosly he could pose a danger to society, but then he might not....
     
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  12. Josh Inno

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    And are you willing to take the risk that he will kill another person, since he seems to show a complete lack of remorse? Are you willing to send the message to teens that there will be no punishment for killing another human being?

    I personally am not.

    The penal system is not about what is deciding what is best for the convicted criminal, it is about attempting to keep the rest of the nation safe from violent felons, and showing would be felons that the results of the actions we don't want them to take is a result they don't want.

    Given that he has already killed, the reason he is being put in jail is to provide an example to other potential criminals, and to protect the rest of society from someone that has already shown that they are willing to end another person's life. I am -less- inclined to feel pitty for this boy who may have been trying to impress his friends than I would for someone who robs a store for life saving medicine, and in the process of this crime shoots the store attendant in order to be able to get away, and that crime carries a much stiffer penalty as it is a felony murder.

    Would I rather he was not in Jail wasting his potential? Yes. But it was his own acts, and his own disregard for human life that put him there.
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    One things's for sure...if he ever does get out in 22 years, I bet he won't make the same mistake twice ;)
     
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    What a load of guff! The only remorse the fool feels is for himself.

    Using that logic then no-one should go to jail for murder, ever.

    He's lucky he only got 22 years.
     
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    It was a plea deal, the prosecution wanted to make sure they paid, and they wanted to make sure they didn't get life.
     
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    Murder Second Degree (which is probabally what he was convicted of) is usaually life, possibility of parole after 25 years.

    Murder First Degree (which he might have been facing if he was older) is Death Penelty.

    Should be lucky to have gotten 22 years, even without parole.

    Should have waited another minute, I see that it was a plea. As a plea that's not too much of a deal, considering he was 15. But trying to back out of an agreement is not a way to show you're a better person is it?
     
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    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    I just feel sorry for him a bit, it's like the whole world is having a go at him, granted he probably deserves it, but without knowing the exact circumstance just seems a bit harsh.....
     
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    At 15, that kid knew damn well what he was doing and that it was illegal. At least he has the opportunity to start his life again in 22 years; that homeless man doesn't. My only complaint is that us taxpayers have to pay for this kid's 'housing'. If I was in charge, prisoners would only get bread and water and no recreational time.
     
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    What an IDIOT! Geez...
     
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    krakjoe Well-Known Member

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    So get the kid a job in a controlled environment......let him pay his own way....

    Also, he has no chance of getting his life back together, in 22 years he'll be institutionalized, he won't be able to function in society and so will probably end up re-offending.....
     
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