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Tax Reform For the Rich...

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by dscurlock, Nov 3, 2017.

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    How do you feel about trump taking care of his own people?
    and who is the people he is taking care of? The Rich....

    • The Rich, get only richer....
    • The middle class, completely ignored....
    • The poor, simply stay poor....

    and trump is proud of robbing from the middle class,
    and the poor just to continue to feed the rich....

    I think the rich should always pay more taxes then anyone
    else, simply because they can afford it because they are rich....

    tax reform should be fair for all.
    But hey, give it all to the rich....
    and fuck everyone else.....

    This bill will produce another 1.5 trillion dollars to our debt
    over the next 10 years, and I really do not expect it to pass....

    This is a bad deal for the american people, and a very
    bad deal for the "actual" working class....

    and trump wants this bad deal to go through by
    Xmas so he can wish you a Merry Christmas, Ho! Ho! Ho!
    What do you think?
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2017
    dscurlock, Nov 3, 2017 IP
  2. Barti1987

    Barti1987 Well-Known Member

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    Prove it. All talk with no specifics/proofs.
    Barti1987, Nov 4, 2017 IP
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  3. billzo

    billzo Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, letting people keep the money they work for is soooooo bad. Best to let Democrats use it to buy votes.
    billzo, Nov 4, 2017 IP
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  4. grpaul

    grpaul Well-Known Member

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    What percentage of the tax bill do the "rich" pay now?

    What percentage of the tax bill does the "working class" pay now?
    grpaul, Nov 4, 2017 IP
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  5. David Morrison

    David Morrison Active Member

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    I'm a millionaire and I agree with high taxes for the rich.
    David Morrison, Nov 4, 2017 IP
  6. jrbiz

    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    Here is the real deal: 50% of American citizens pay NO taxes whatsoever. So, any tax reform will only affect actual taxpayers which tend to be the people who work, invest money, etc. Beyond that, the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of taxes. Low information voters who are mathematically challenged are gullible prey to distortions by the Swamp (lamestream media, Democrats, academia, and other co-conspirator liberal organizations) that say tax reform is "for the rich."

    The question is: how can tax reform be anything but for the people who pay taxes, including the "rich?"
    jrbiz, Nov 21, 2017 IP
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  7. dscurlock

    dscurlock Prominent Member

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    I do not not understand the question:

    Tax Reform is just a cute word for tax increase....

    however, in this case:

    1: The rich would be getting a handout....

    2: people (who work) that make less then $75k/yr
    will end up paying more in taxes, and I am not really
    sure what tax break you get if you earn more then $75k

    3: This tax bill would also cut parts of Obamacare that will leave
    the poor without insurance, or something they cant afford.

    I am not a fan of the middle class giving everyone else a free
    ride, and this includes the poor, and the rich. Some people,
    including the poor are looking for a free ride (from the working
    class) and the rich are not innocent either, they often want
    tax payers to pick up their clean up bills when shit happens)

    This is not the way this is supposed to work, we should not
    be giving the rich more money for being rich; Hell if the
    middle class has to support the poor and the rich, then
    the rich in fairness should be taxed more to help out...

    Some congress members have not even read this tax bill,
    and this really leaves me to wonder exactly what is in the bill...
    (I guarantee you that it will not be anything to help the poor or the middleclass)

    This bill is hanging by a thread, and could go either way, pass or fail.
    If it passes, and handed off to trump, then he will sign off on this
    bill because this will help himself, and his rich cronies...

    trump does not care about you or me....
    trump does not care about the people...
    trump only cares about himself, and his rich friends...

    I may not have a problem with this if the tax plan was
    fair, but it is not, it will simply make it worse for the poor,
    and the lower middle class will end up paying more taxes...
    and giving the bigger tax break to the rich....

    This tax bill is expected to add another
    1.5 trillion $$$ to our national debt...
    dscurlock, Dec 14, 2017 IP
  8. jrbiz

    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    Government is in the business of redistributing wealth; government does not make wealth or produce anything, in fact. It just takes money from one group and gives it to someone else. 50% of American adults do not pay any taxes, whatsoever, right now. That will continue. So, it is the remaining 50% of citizens, who actually work and pay taxes, that are the people from whom wealth is being taken and re-distributed to others. The leftists, in their never ending quest for more and more power, insist that more and more wealth should be taken from the "makers" of said wealth and given to the "takers" of wealth who produce nothing. That socialist model has failed miserably everywhere it has been tried in the past 100 years. Look at communist China: they are basically a capitalist country now with a geriatric dictatorship that only calls itself socialist because even they recognize that it is capitalism that works and socialism that hurts people.

    Bottomline: you cannot cut taxes for people (the takers) that do not pay taxes. The top 20% of "makers" in this country pay well over 70% of all taxes, so any tax reform implemented to spur economic development will affect these "makers" most. How else could it work? The idea, by the way, is to cut the taxes on the wealth of the makers because Reagan proved that, if you do so, these makers will re-invest and grow jobs and the economy and when that happens, the country does quite well, overall. The leftists (the Swamp, Democrats, the lamestream media) try to distract low information voters by saying that the tax cuts are not going to the poor, which, as I point out above, is a nonsensical statement. The poor pay no taxes so they have no involvement with tax reform. The leftists also claim to suddenly be worried about adding 1.5 trillion to the national debt but when the Kenyan added 10 trillion to the debt over his eight years of misrule, they had no complaints. And, you never hear them saying to cut government spending (a.k.a redistributing the wealth of the makers) to reduce that debt, do you? Unfortunately this hypocrisy and deception works with low information voters who do not understand how the economy and government works.
    jrbiz, Dec 15, 2017 IP
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