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Switzerland will Vote to Ban Mosque Minarets

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by new, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #121
    No, I just find fun in you seeing no hypocrisy in taking religious advice from a porn-pusher. Very open-minded of you. Based on YOUR actions, appears porn is an accepted part of Islamic culture now.
     
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  2. new

    new Peon

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    #122
    yeah just like the hypocrite supports of ban on minarets, at one side they say we are the open minded , modern and civilized world at flip side they can't tolerate a minaret
     
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  3. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #123
    No problem. You continue making money endorsing a porn-webmaster posing as a staunch Muslim, we'll continue the giggling at the endorsement. :)
     
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  4. new

    new Peon

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    #124
    why are you getting jealous ?
    you guys can make some hate mongering site against Islam and wear its avatar ! may be that will cool you a bit
     
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  5. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #125
    That is an actual picture of Rob in his avatar, not a hate site of any sort.
     
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  6. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #126
    I don't frequent hate sites, so guess I'm outta luck. We DO have others besides the Islamic faction that support pornography though, so you at least have some company. :)
     
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  7. new

    new Peon

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    #127
    Thanks for letting me know .. are you personal assistant to His Highness Mr Rob Jones ?
    just curious
     
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  8. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #128
    At least "His Highness" doesn't get paid to sell out his principles.
     
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  9. new

    new Peon

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    #129
    but in the 1st place you need to have some principles ...I hope you understand this :D;)
     
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  10. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #130
    I understand. I do have 'em, and mine don't have a price tag on 'em. I hope you understand this.
     
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  11. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #131
    Religious leaders oppose Swiss ban on mosque minarets

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    (A minaret of a mosque and a steeple of a church are pictured in Wangen bei Olten. In Switzerland, groups are at odds over whether minarets should be banned.)

    GENEVA — The Swiss Council of Religions, which includes Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders, has issued a statement rejecting a call for a nationwide ban on the construction of minarets at mosques. Some Swiss groups want to ban minarets out of fear of Europe's growing Muslim population.

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    The posters used to ban Minarets are the racist ones.

    The Federal Commission against Racism says posters for the rightwing Swiss People's Party's anti-Minaret campaign "incite hatred".

    The main poster, which shows a woman in a burka and a Swiss flag with minarets springing out of it( like missiles) , implies that "the Muslim minority living in Switzerland may represent a terrible danger" the commission said in a statement.

    City bans

    The statement by the federal anti-racism body followed an announcement by the Lausanne municipal authorities on Wednesday that they were banning the posters, as they portrayed "racist, disrespectful and dangerous" images.

    "The limits of freedom of expression have been exceeded this time," said local councillor Olivier Français. "What really shocks me is the violence and racism in this message and the use of the Swiss flag."

    Yverdon-les-Bains, in canton Vaud, also said it would ban the posters as they presented an "unacceptable amalgamation of people of Muslim faith and potential terrorists"

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    It the racist move against Muslims. And calling every muslim suspected terrorists.

    This kind of posters are not new . In 2007 the party used a poster comparing "criminal foreigners" to black sheep needing to be kicked out of the country.

    It seems they are in a hurry in Christian Europe to destroy visible signs of the strength of Islam.


    November 18, 2009 -
    "Two weeks ahead of the nationwide vote at the end of November, 53 per cent of respondents said they reject the rightwing initiative, while 37 per cent said they approve the ban. A further ten per cent were still undecided".

    "The outcome of the ballot is uncertain, but the approval rate for a ban will most likely be below the 50 per cent threshold," Longchamp said.

    So lets wait and see what will happen on 29
     
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  12. alex-big-guy

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    #132
    I think there’s nothing wrong with Minarets. The Swiss Party describing them as Missiles is beyond me.
     
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  13. Breeze Wood

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    #133
    ~ From above photo, post 131 - There may be an architectural bias towards steeples than minarets as there does seem to be a conflict between the two architectures....I would rather see steeples and it is their country. Maybe have the minarets be only 20 feet tall.
     
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  14. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #134
    I am not sure about how tall is that Minaret on photo. but there is a Minaret which is 20 feet tall too .(Switzerland's highest court approved the building plans of the local Turkish cultural association and now a six meter (20 foot) tall minaret provides graphic proof of the victory won by the Olten Türk Kültür Ocagi.)

    you can watch at pictures and read about that Mosque and Minaret . it is not in English Das umstrittene Minarett in Wangen bei Olten

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    a Council of Europe commission : Racism is widespread in Switzerland.
    Report by European Commission against Racism:

    A report highlights problems of direct racial discrimination in gaining access to employment, housing, goods and services. The victims are mainly Muslims and originate from the Balkans, Turkey and Africa..

    However, it noted there had been a dangerous growth of racist political discourse against foreign nationals, Muslims, blacks and other minorities. The ECRI found the Swiss People's Party to be part of the problem, saying the party had taken on a "racist and xenophobic tone" in recent years, leading to racist generalisations.

    "Repeated attacks by Swiss People's Party members against foreigners' fundamental rights and against the prohibition of racism and xenophobia have created a deep sense of unease in Swiss society generally and especially in minority communities," the report said.

    Immigrant children have disadvantages in education, some Swiss media have reinforced racist stereotypes, and neo-Nazi and far-right groups have been active in the country

    Council of Europe attacks racism in Switzerland
     
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  15. ChaosTrivia

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    #135
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8384835.stm
    http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/minarett_initiative_hochrechnung_annahme_1.4079737.html

    Amazing Live Breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    In the middle of November polls showed only 37.5% support for the proposal, and today it passed with a totally surprising majority of 57% of the votes!
    The politicians, media, and people in Switzerland are shocked. Except for the SVP and the extreme EDU parties, all other parties of Switzerland openly spoke against the proposal. But their voters, voted for it. In the last paragraph of the Swiss newspaper article they say that not even a single district of the 22 Swiss districts (or "Cantons"), voted against the proposal. In my opinion, this shows how the politicians of other European countries, simply screw their own voters for the sake of narrow political considerations. Europe, above all the UK and France are already paying a bitter price for allowing this irreversible islamization to occur.

    There are over 300,000 muslims in Switzerald - 99% of which immigrated in the last 20 years and only 18,000 jews, living there for centuries. The Jews of Switzerland voted against the proposal (or, at least this was the recommendation of the "union of swiss jews", their official organization) , such coward orthodox losers. source

    Islam is political agenda before being just a religion. It sees itself to be much better than other religions and Muslims speaking of world dominance is not something extraordinary. Only in this very forum we had couple of threads proudly presenting how Islam is "the fastest growing religion on the planet" - demonstrating how the spread of Islam is a value - what used to be true until some couple of hundreds of years ago in Christianity, and never in Judaism. Even worse than that, Islam in its most fundamental principles has a lot contempt to the idea of separation of religion from state. Hence, it sees itself not only much better than all other religions (for some of which they have official not-so-flattering "nicknames"), but also necessarily above the state laws.

    Banning the construction of the minarets is by no means on the expense of freedom of religion - since the minarets are not part of Islam. They are not mentioned anywhere in the quran or the hadith. The purpose of the minaret is to display a political might, to display the presence and glory of Islam - by taking over the urban landscape and making a lot of noise (from which I suffer too - 5 times a day), something that does not exist in any other religion.

    I am very glad that a first western country come to its senses and say: "The hell with being politically correct --> Enough is enough!"

    Western culture, which is based on liberty, equality, freedom of speech and yes: freedom of religion, won over a political ideology which is antithetical with democracy, and where 'equality' 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of religion' are merely weird western jackshit expressions that do not appear anywhere on its agenda or books, and which Muslims respect and cherish only when they ask for what they think they deserve. Freedom of speech, for example, stops when one is critical of Islam and feels like making a caricature of the prophet, and equality stops at their own women. Freedom of religion, in muslim countries, does not appear anywhere in the books of law, it is a totally imaginary concept: in all of the muslim countries without exception, the state laws sees muslims and non-muslims differently!

    I hope that I am not exaggerating by saying that this is a historical day. This will certainly be the case, if other western countries will follow.

    I send a letter now to the mailing list of my Swiss friends to thank those who voted for the proposal and reprimand those who didn't.
    Naturally, in February when I come to visit my friends in Switzerland and practice my recently acquired Ski skills (its damn hard to start skiing when u're 31), I will wear the swiss cross whereever I go. The Swiss are the smartest nation on the planet, but this I knew also before today.

    I close this good news post with pictures of the village of Lauterbrunnen (in swiss German pron.: looooooterbrunae), in the canton of Bern, where a good friend of mine lives who took a week off from work to promote the proposal in junctions and demonstrations.
    Her mother and father are both Swiss, protestant and they met in the 70's while working as volunteers in a Kibbutz in Israel. They fell in love with Israel and come each year with their 4 children (about 4 times the swiss average) for a visit. Certainly their love for Israel and everything it represents is much bigger even than my own ;)
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    :D
     
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  16. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #136
    I guess that puts to bed the idea that popular opinion is shifting in favor of Muslims and Palestinians as New, Gworld, Imad, Toopac, and the other terrorist sympathizers would have you believe on this forum. I would cheer them on, like I do Zibblu, except I think most westerners know little about the Palestinian conflict and are susceptible to the kind of BS propaganda that flows on a daily basis from some news outlets and from the above mentioned on this forum.
     
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    #137
    Generally speaking that's the problem, the press is so biased or pressured to to give dodgy information and propaganda that it dumbs down people so much that they buy whatever they see, and are told hook line and sinker. It's easy for them to switch on the news and be told instead of looking around the real world.

    Just like there were idiots thinking Saddam was about to launch chemical weapons in 45 minutes and some of those idiots thought it would land on there head in the US:D

    It's easy to manipulate those that are not smart enough to see through the bs for example bigots just need a little bit of news about a muslim and it has them running around thinking the biggest problems are muslims, that's evident from the posts in this forum.

    They used to do the same things with blacks not too long ago.
     
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    #138
    Lets not forget I categorized you in with the rest of the sources of BS propaganda :D.

    A few other corrections to your most recent post:

    1) the people who thought Saddam had WMD were the members of congress, who don't get their information from the media.
    2) I've never seen Muslims as the problem(though I cant say the same about Palestinians). It is interesting to see the backlash a few Muslims are creating for the whole pack though, and your postings aide in that effort. How do you feel about helping to foster anti-Nuslim sentiment in the world?
     
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    #139
    Bottom line, nobody outlawed being a Muslim, they just passed the equivalent of a zoning ordinance stopping a certain form of architecture. If Muslim nations can whip little girls for not adhering to their prescribed fashions of clothing fashion, the Swiss are at least every bit as entitled to enforce what fashion their buildings will be.

    Muslims can still worship without their phallic symbol architecture to do it. It isnt like the koran designates their worship take place in a building that looks like the Disney castle. Granted I'm sure the idiots that called for people to be beheaded over a funny little cartoon will probably do the same in this instance. No wonder they have been rightfully dubbed "the religion of perpetual outrage".
     
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  20. ChaosTrivia

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    #140
    Good post.

    and
    LOL. Tell that to new.
     
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