GRIM, just put him on ignore like so many of us have. GTech is less about debating a point, and more about character assassination and playing words games. I've enjoyed this forum so much more since I have stopped reading and responding to his attacks and baseless accusations. And yes, your time would probably be better spent talking to your 8 year old. He's the future, not some angry old man clinging to the past.
Dishonesty? Disappointment? Uninformed? Misstatement? How's that campaign working for you, guerilla? It seems odd that you want to put anyone that stands up for America on ignore, while you give comfort to those that tear America down every day. Says a lot about you.
GTech: You should still try to analyse the "surge" in its totallity. I said early on that it was not something to analyze over a short term. Conditions there are so volatile and subject to change. When there is good news I support it; ie That was my quote. It referenced the saving of Italian soldiers in Afghanistan. Quick negative branding of anyone who doesn't see things exactly the way you see them is characteristic of the Bush administration and its most ardent supporters. That is one of the keys to why Bush's support in polls is so low, why people don't believe him, and why polls show that Americans want to end our involvement in Iraq. The analogy is as follows; Publish something that articulates good news....but is limited in its description of all events -> your post about lower levels of American deaths during September. Don't describe any other events or contexts. Brand anyone who doesn't see things your way in some sort of negative context. (obviously Grim doesn't like that either). What happens? The majority tend to disbelieve you. I maintain, as I did early on that it is way too soon to evaluate the "surge". In fact what has happened to date is different from the "reasons" for the "surge" in the first place....to give time for Baghdad to make political progress and agreements between Sunni's and Shiites. That hasn't happened at all to date. Meanwhile, conditions in Anbar and Diyala have improved with regard to the American outlook. Whether they will remain that way is something that time will tell. Will those conditions evolve to create an Iraq where we can move out, where there will be a level of stability? Who knows. Totally unexpected results. There are many here who are supportive of the US but don't do it the way you do it. You shouldn't be so quick to criticize.
GTECH what exactly is the point of this forum and what is the question? I have have read them all including yours and none seem to indicate a destination. Is is the death toll decreasing? Is it celebrating a victory for US troops or UK?~ Are muslims on all sides routing and pledging allegance to the Burmese flag?~Please explain?
I've made no grand statements, other than it's working with reports that back that up. I'm sorry that because it's working you are so upset. But really, should I expect anything else? I read your partisan attack, from just a few weeks ago, about how you believe it wasn't working. That was really a shame too, as it seems to be backfiring. Look, if it upsets you that bad, then duly noted. You are upset there is good news. It's not like I had any great expectation otherwise. I'm just giving you guys an open forum to express your dismay. I can't be held responsible for your disappointment. The point of the forum is Politics & Religion, as noted by it's title. Must there be a destination? Did you read the first post in the thread? I've not made that assumption. Might try asking some others. There is no discussion of the Burmese in this thread. Any more red herrings?
Disappointment of what? Wow Gtech you seriously make shit up don't you? I am not disappointed one bit that less troops are dying, I however am careful not to rush to conclusions. You on the other hand love to jump to conclusions whenever it benefits your end, I've witnessed it time and time again, you are a perfect example of someone who does just that. It works when it's on your side, when it's not you jump down others throats that it's only been a little time. I am not disappointed in the least, where you get this from is beyond me No it doesn't have a much different meaning btw, you chose to include me in on being anti american, anti Bush simply because I am unwilling to state the surge is working for the long term 'this thread' other threads I do not support Bush or the war, now that has me not standing up for America how exactly? The X-Marine I workout with BTW is not for the war in Iraq, much of his family is there now also 'they also are not for it' but I guess they are not standing up for America either. 'I'll make sure to let him know that'. I see it as being dangerous doing what you're doing, I know that wont stop you Nope Gtech it was simply a general response as it hasn't been that long I however will and can admit when I was off, I'd love to see you just once admit you're wrong. I wont hold my breath on that one though. BTW those numbers you posted are barely down, so yes you could say 4 months, depends on how you look at it. July to August only being a 3 count difference is hardly showing a great trend
Well Gtech, since you can only see one side of a story....I guess that makes you Bush's version of this guy......http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/08/sprj.irq.sahaf.profile.reut/ He also only stated to others what his master demanded.
Thank you for the clarification. Your posts were not indicative of that position. This is dishonest. I challenge you to find any post where I have said you were anti-American. Or anyone else in this thread, as such. Please keep it honest. I already corrected your assumption about the time frame (1-2 months vs 4 months). I'm not wrong. I did not force you to disclose your disappointment. So you are disappointed the numbers are not down enough for your standards? I have no problem being aware of that. You are free to tell me all the things you would like. So you would agree then, that as I've been pointing out about partisanship, this is just another partisan statement? I'm only being aware of what you choose to disclose. You really do diminish your position that you are not partisan when attempting to create bad news out of good news, then go on to espouse rhetoric like that. All it does is confirm what I've been saying. Yet he chose to stand up for America when an islamist was attacking America, while others that are supposedly American sat in silence. Good observation.
I think that all of us are happy that the troop deaths are down GTech, but as they shouldn't even be there in the first place it is somewhat of a moot point. Jesus H Christ GT, 3 posts back-to-back. That'll be great for your post count. You'll have caught up with anthonycea before you know it. Then we'll have a virtual street party for ya!
Seriously? Please read my posts above. Seriously? To me your quote below comes pretty damn close, to me shows you stating I am not intelligent enough, nor do I stand up for my country because I do not like Bush. That's pretty AntiAmerican to me, not standing up for ones country. The so called correction was also brought up Again what disappointment? Who is disappointed? I surely am not, are you disappointed for something? Wow what is your hang up with disappointment? There is a huge difference for seeing the numbers for what they are and being careful when our brave men and women are putting their lives on the lines compared to doing a little dance and being naive into thinking this small time frame means more than it does.
What you choose to bold isn't what I've taken issue with. There's a lot more, as you've taken the time to demonstrate (thank you, btw!), to your posts. They are dual sided. So you are trying to say you are not disappointed and happy the surge is working? And we can agree, it's not 1-2 months as you suggested, but 4 months? And we can agree that I never said you were anti-American? Are those fair observations?
Dual sided? Ohyeah because either you are gun ho on the war, or you're not, there is no middle ground, I almost forgot I am very glad less US soldiers are dying, I however am not about to find meaning into a slight decrease in deaths prematurely which could very well be dangerous and deadly to our men and women in Iraq! How in the hell is that dual sided? I am not disappointed yet again that less US soliders have died, I however will not jump onto the 'surge is working' as it is way to premature to make that call. Temporarily is it? Perhaps, for the long term is it? No way to know yet. Ohyeah that huge difference of 3 almost counts, split hairs to make it 4 months all you want 3 is hardly a downward trend. I already admitted the numbers were off BTW, I stated it was a general statement as it hasnt' been that long, however 3 is hardly proof of anything No actually what you posted to me does call me Anti American, not standing up for American is the same in my eyes, according to you since I am not pro war I do not stand up for my country, nor does my workout partner the X-Marine, nor his family
The entire crazy gang use the same M.O mate. If you are not pro-war and you do not adore the MISERABLE FAILURE Bush then you are a terrorist supporter.
No, that would be your old method from 2005, when you would take both sides of an issue, so as to have something to fall back on. Nothing much has changed there. It's a weak strategy, easily identifiable. I suppose it works for you. I couldn't imagine however it could be. I have no doubt you wouldn't jump on that bandwagon. So we can see a pattern of not being quite honest with numbers and no refer to them as splitting hairs? 3 is proof of anything? Wasn't it 4? Stepping all over yourself there, trying to trivialize good news. Incorrect. I've not said any such thing about you, nor have I said that because anyone isn't pro war, they are not American. This is typical of your continued dishonesty. Some day you'll be able to argue on facts, instead of making them up to suit your agenda. I did observe when an islamist terrorist supporter was attacking our country and troops, you remained silent. I'm sure you had a good reason though Where? Point out a post please. I'd love to see it. I suppose when you can't win an argument based on fact, one has to make them up to portray themselves as victims for sympathy. I challenge anyone to find said post. Put up, or shut up. We know your motive, AGS. Don't play suck up so obviously.
Dude, all your little elves back you up day-in-day-out. That is why you are the illustrious leader of the crazy gang! You all post exactly the same, gang up on peeps and generally post exactly the same posts. I LMAO at how crazy your little gang are, you should run for DP P&R President. Just think, you would be able to edit any posts saying anything defamatory about your lover Bush.