Supplemental results even though pages are different?

Discussion in 'SEO' started by jgd12345, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi i have a directory (directory.ssiweb.co.uk). Which has some information for a bunch of it companies in the uk. The problem i have is that every page is coming up as supplemental in google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:directory.ssiweb.co.uk). From my understanding supplemental means that there is duplicate content, titles and/or keywords but if you browse through the supplemental results on google all of the pages are different.

    Appreciate if someone could tell me what i am doing wrong. Thanks
     
    jgd12345, Jan 17, 2007 IP
  2. Anita

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    #2
    Supplementals can also occur for lots of other reasons:
    - You have tons of pages and Google doesn't want to spend the time to index them all (e.g. low PR) - I have a few supplemental pages for this reason
    - You've been banned. This is a possibility since it looks like everything is supplemental and you have no listed backlinks
    - You have a low content to links ratio. However, it appears like you provide enough info to get around this.

    Maybe it sees your site as a yellow pages resource and ignores for duplicate content? Not sure.
     
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  3. jgd12345

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    Cheers for your advice. I've been working on the backlinks but the content is all genuine so i don't think that's the problem. If i've been banned why would they do this? and how do i get unbanned? Appreciate the help once more. Thanks
     
    jgd12345, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  4. Northie

    Northie Peon

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    The problem is all the run of the site stuff

    The template you're using, with all the adsense and stuff - is reapeated on every single page.

    For example, i chose a random page (web design in harrogate)
    The file size is about 11000 characters
    of this about 9000 characters are repeated on every single page.

    You have 5k of almost identical data on every page before the unique content starts

    It is a case of duplicate content - you're duplicating your own content!

    You need to trim down your template, big style.

    A lot of this can be done with CSS. I know you're already using CSS - but not to an advantage.

    For example you ahve some javascript rollovers for your top links. Make this CSS [search for CSS rollover].

    Also look at CSS source ordering - getting your unique, relevant content higher up in the source code.

    What's this bit for?

    <div style="border-top: 2px solid #FFFFFF;"></div>
    <div style="border-top: 2px solid #646464;"></div>
    <div style="border-top: 1px solid #FFFFFF;"></div>
    <div style="border-top: 1px solid #646464;"></div>
    <div style="border-top: 2px solid #FFFFFF;"></div>

    ?

    I'm guessing to draw lines. Make a 1px wide 8px high gif and set it as a background image for just 1 div (set repeat to x).
     
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  5. jgd12345

    jgd12345 Peon

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    Hi cheers will look at changing some of the points you picked out. However all my sites use a template it seems the easiest way to build a site and if google can't pick that up then it is pretty pathetic.

    Another site i have built is www.ttpd.co.uk searching for www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:www.ttpd.co.uk also returns supplemental for most the product pages (page 4+). However the content for all these page is pretty unique but again it uses a template.

    The css template i use is a pretty standard css template and gives me full control on the layout of a page. If you take on the content there isn't much too it.
     
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  6. Northie

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    There's nothing wrong with using a template, there's a lot right with it.

    The template just has to be lean, or filled with content.

    Your template is not lean and has very little content
     
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    If you are not adding unique content within the template you'll always be in the supplementals. You need to add more 'unique' content and source some deeplings to specific pages.

    Your site seems to be down just now so I can't look more spcifically
     
    indepth184, Jan 18, 2007 IP
  8. jgd12345

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    Hi cheers good advice but what can i do to get unique content? Here's another one of my sites www.punk-tabs.com. Notice how only 4 pages are not supplemental although google has picked up all the pages. The markup looks fine to me but there's not much else i can do to make the content unique.
     
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  9. rainborick

    rainborick Well-Known Member

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    At the risk of being another one of those "Matt Cutts says" guys...

    According to a recent post of his, the primary reason pages go into the Supplemental Index is low PageRank. Since this domain currently has a PageRank of 0, even allowing for the current update in progress, I think its a good bet that PageRank is the primary culprit and that any duplicate content issue is just a tipping point.
     
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  10. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    But conversly, it also says that supplemental results do not affect PR.

    So it's hard to corrolate that comment.
     
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  11. fi5hbone

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    #11
    Your titles and meta descriptions have got to be different for each page.

    Good content requires research and thought and time and effort put into it. Yeah it's hard work but it works. Alternatively, just pay someone to write good quality content for you.
     
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    rainborick Well-Known Member

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    As I said, low PageRank is the primary cause of pages being in the Supplemental Index. There are obviously also several other possible contributing factors, such as a low level of original content. But I did not say that being in the Supplemental Index causes low PageRank. PageRank is, as always, only an indicator of the number and quality of the links that point to a given page.
     
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  13. Northie

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    Page rank has nothing to do with supplementals
     
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    #14
    I've started own article site about web-design 2 weeks ago. Currently this site have a 4th unique article (web-unique, I've written them using my own mind-generator :) ). Google mark pages with my articles as Supplemental Results :mad: It's out of range of my mind :eek:
     
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  15. an0n

    an0n Prominent Member

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    #15
    it was stated that to get out of supps, links from a trusted and higher pageranked site will suffice.

    while i do not know how much truth is in that, that's what was posted, and i think i recall it being on fatt butts blog too, so take it with a grain of salt?
     
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  16. guidyy

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    #16
    My homepage has PR3
    I rank 1st to 14th for a dozen of primary keywords.
    We have 800 unique cooking recipes, 1200 forum posts, and adding new content on daily basis.
    We havent so much backlinks, but they are all very related and with good PR.
    All other search engine list our pages (yahoo send me 60% of my traffic with 80/100 diffrent keywords)
    Google flags all pages as supplemental.
    A cooking recipe is usually a short piece of writing, so I guess we are penalized for the layout/content ratio. It sucks.
     
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  17. Northie

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    To get out of the supps you need to make your page look less like spam.

    Spam may be filtered out, but even if you're not intentionally spamdexing, your page may look like it is.....

    The only pages I ever had in the supps were there because of their template footprint. By hiding much of the run of the site stuff in javascript document.write functions I got out of the supps within 1 week and have continued to rank well ever since.

    what did i put in these js functions?

    Not my navigation, that's for sure.

    But I did put the search form in JS (that appeared on every page), some adverts and a couple of other bits.

    'Cloaking!' I hear you exclaim.

    Not so - the content i was putting in these functions were not real content, were secondary to the function of the site,etc. If a user without js can't see the search box they can still follow the text link to the search page.
     
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    Briefly, increase PageRank and add more unique content - these are first and most efficient steps to get out of supps. Other tips are secondary.
     
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  19. Northie

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    For the whatever # time - page rank has nothing to do with the supplementals.

    Tool bar page rank has nothing to do with indexing, ranking and traffic Not one thing!!!!!!

    The sooner you understand this, the sooner you will get better SERPs.

    I'm a professional SEO, with a lot of success under my belt, I don't have the PR thing installed on my tool bar - i don't know the PR of my sites because I don't care what it is.

    There are important aspects of SEO, TBPR is not one of them. It's there to throw the ignorant off track
     
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    Hate to do it -- being a TBPR ranter and all... but I was just writing about this today.. (hot on the heels of my duplicate content stuff) -- let's take a little journey.

    Ol MC - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/infrastructure-status-january-2007/

    Tho' North is correct in that the man said PAGE RANK - which we all know is a different animal than ToolBar PageRank - You could have a penalty and be a PR0 right now. Problem is you won't know that for another 3 months or so....

    So don't go reading that into Matt’s comments. He, rightfully so, is talking about PageRank NOT the watered-down version we get oft updated on the toolbar






    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/more-info-on-pagerank/
     
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