Supplemental Result Question

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  2. Rasputin

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    #2
    This question comes up quite often.

    The answer is backlinks - lots of them, preferably from related sites, and preferably some of them linking to the internal pages themselves.
    Even keeping just 50 pages out of supplemental can take quite a bit of effort.

    Cheers
     
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    And make sure the content is UNIQUE.
     
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    #4
    Always a good idea...but I use occasional (less than 5% of total pages) from wiki or article banks (when I don't have time or lack the knowledge to write something better myself) and they still get indexed OK. As long as the percentage is small and they are linked, I think you can get away with it.

    Best practice though is, as you say, to avoid these kind of pages.
     
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    #5
    I took a look at your site. I really like it. Great idea.

    But back to the question. When you click on the alphabet letter links, each one except the A and B have the same title. They are all entitiled "child health"

    This is a problem. They need to be unique.
     
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    #6
    Two more questions about this.
    First - How do you exactly wich pages are in the supplemental index
    Second - if you say a title has to be unique, for example gardening online and gardening online tips are each one unique ?, or repeating the words is not advisable?
     
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    #7
    just type this into google and look at each page and see which ones say supplemental result (of course substitute your domain name)

    site:domain.com

    Those two phrases are somewhat unique but in my opionion, they wouldn't make sense really. I prefer to be a little more descriptive to say what is being presented. Each page should be sufficiently different in context to get a good title.
     
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    #8
    I have seen your site,
    The problem is that you have same title and description of all pages under one category, for e.g. under "ACNE" all pages have title-desc. as
    Title: "Acne"
    Desc.: "Info about Acne, Acne Treatment - Natural and Conventional Treatments, Medicine, Control."
    As a result only the first page "www.childs-health.net/a/acne/ " will be in main index and rest under it will go to Supplemental index. (similar for other categories).

    So in my opinion you need to make unique title and description for all pages, then only you can come out of it.
    Also you need to get good backlinks.

    Hope this helps:)
    Cheers.
     
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    All completely 100% wrong. The first reply had it, it is just a matter of links and PageRank, nothing else.

    Supplement Index has never been about duplicate content. Straight from Google:

    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/06/duplicate-content-summit-at-smx.html

    It doesn't get more straightforward then that.

    -Michael
     
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    mvandemar I think you forgot to read the next line in the blog it is as follows
    It says that duplication indirectly influences supplemental index.

    -Seomax
     
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    Some pages in the supplemental results can still rank pretty well in the SERPS.
     
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  12. The Webmaster

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    #12
    Lets talk about your site. you are doing few things very very very wrong.

    Point 1: You are using Meta description tag, and I have noticed that your meta description is almost the same or with very little difference for all of your pages. It's like two or three groups of description you are using. That you should NOT do.
    Either use different meta descriptions or do not use them at all. Using almost the same meta description is way harmful than not using them at all.

    Point 2: You have lots of 404 error, Never do that. I see that you have custom error page but still google can detect that. And I tell you, they dont like 404. Patch that ASAP

    Point 3: No offense, despite of your nice looking site design, your site in text browser looks like MFA/Spam. try adding unique and content rich pages.


    Fix them and you'll be fine (I hope).
     
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    No, that has nothing whatsoever to do with duplication. That has to do with the raw number of pages you are splitting your PageRank among, period. It would be exactly the same if all of those pages were unique. I didn't include that part because it doesn't belong there anyways, and I knew it would confuse someone. They only mentioned it because some site software will create multiple pages and offer different ways to get to those pages (usually having to do with something like sorting products various ways), and those pages can lower your PageRank distribution. It still has nothing to do with duplication itself.

    -Michael
     
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  14. The Webmaster

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    Actually Duplication is not related to supp index. If you have duplicate pages, Google will not index duplicate one, or if they are partial duplicate (with change of little text) it will send the duplicate page in the supp but not the entire site.
     
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    /sigh

    No, it is not related to supplemental at all.

    People keep insisting on confusing the supplemental index with the duplicate content filter. Completely different animal, you have to trust me. Duplicate pages get indexed just fine, if they are supplemental it is for a completely different reason. The only time it comes into play is if you do a search, and see this text:

    The last bit of that text will be linked to the same search again, but will have this parameter added into the url:

    &filter=0

    This tells Google not to filter out the duplicates.

    The supplemental index has to do with indexing (which database the information is stored in when it is found), duplicate content has to do with serps display (whether or not certain results are hidden on the initial search). Even though there may be some overlap, in that pages can be both... they are not related to one another. If they were then you wouldn't be able to get 100's of exact duplicate pages indexed as non-supp on the same site, and you can, easily.

    -Michael
     
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    Getting deep links to these pages almost allways get them out of supplemental. Having pages in the supplemental index is not the end of the world. Once your SEO campaign gets up and running and you start getting links not only to your home page but other important pages in your site, they will be moved from the supplemental to the main index.
     
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    Try to read what I've written...
     
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    I did.

    That isn't true.

    And neither is that.

    -Michael
     
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    Well try to rewrite you content and back links will do all the rest.
     
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  20. The Webmaster

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    You have no idea then..
     
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