The same thing has happened to many many sites since Big Daddy - many of those are also recovering without having made any changes whatsoever, because Google has been making changes (almost daily changes for several months now trying to repair Big Daddy). It's what Google is doing that is affecting your sites, not reciprocal or one-way linking. That's exactly what I mean by supersitious thinking - and it's also why in your observations only some sites are affected while others are not. You're focusing on the wrong variables.
My point exactly. Those that aren't 'experts' seem to udnerstand the value of recip vs one-way. But I guess that could just mean you guys are beguiled by me maybe Man perfection in typing.... I guess that is good You don't have better things to do because you wasted abunch of time in this thread. You just don't believe what you say. Your afraid to acknowledge after all this time that you could be wrong. It is called pride right? Don't worry we all suffer with it at times .
As I said some time ago, visio, the key word here is "evidence". You are claiming superiority of one-way over reciprocal links. Show me some evidence of that. Otherwise, all you are doing is blathering on to hear the sound of your own voice. You are the one making this claim. It's up to you to back it up. I'm saying there's no difference.
And your claiming the opposite and so where is your evidence? I have given my evidence which is my research between sites which are relative yet one uses recip and the other one-way. The results were very clear everytime. One of my clients sites has 5,000 recip links(MSN) yet he is being outperformed 100-1 by a site which only has a little over 40 one-ways. I can't see how you can take that any other way than to say one-ways are better. And no there really is no way for you to know this is true as I had the client banned for illegal methods recently. If you want to prove your point lets have the contest. Seems like you like your voice better than me as you have the excess of 9000 posts.
visio, if you claim that UFOs exist, it's not up to me to prove they don't. It's up to you to provide evidence for your claim.
Yup it is. So what exactly is 'evidence' to you. What would convert you to my side? Name it and I will get it.
I never said what we are doing to recover. So to imply we are superstitious is not a fair comment. We understand "Big Daddy" messed things up and to wait around for them to sort it out means lossed income. A lot seem to concentrate soley on Google, but to give you a top level fix for our situation, was to simply concentrate our efforts on Yahoo and MSN to shore up the problems that Google so kindly attached to us with their update. Our firm, takes SEO very seriously but, we take everything into account to get our customers products to market, one can not sit and wait for one company to bail themselves out of a mess that they created, our customers do not care why, or even who caused the problem, but worry more about people searching for a product and they get first dibs on the consumer.
That wasn't an accusation, BB. It was in reference to my previous comments in this thread about superstitious thinking. Think of Site A and Site B. Both get hit by Big Daddy. Site A runs around deleting all reciprocal links. Site B does nothing. Some time later, both recover their Google rankings and traffic. Site A attributes the recovery to the deletion of all those reciprocal links. That's superstitious thinking, since in reality the action has nothing to do with either the loss in ranking/traffic or with the recovery. That said, if you are trying to make a living and keep your customers happy, and you can make THEM believe you did something to effect a recovery, more power to you.
Yes we make a good living, the firm has been doing marketing for 30+ years and Internet marketing is one of our areas which of course requires our guys to understand SEO quite well. And no one said we MAKE them believe we did something to recover.. like I said earlier.. THEY do not care what happen or why.. they just want their products to be accessed first. And if we tried to explain, they would be lost. I have been reading DP for a long time and only recently thought, that I should join and maybe give back some of the ideas that I know I personaly have used. A lot on here know certain tips and tricks, but the one thing I know I can share is 30+ years of hardcore marketing that plugs very well into internet advertising, and SEO.
I agree with you. And I believe I have made the point in this thread that during a update you shouldn't make changes to a site and that in the Big Daddy update many sites killed themselves by doing what you just mentioned. Attributing the loss of rankings(update caused) to backlink strucutre and removing them all for example. I agree with you on that. But that doesn't have anything to do with the value of each.
what is the diffrence with the supplemental resault and regular ones other than frequency of the update. mine started to go supplemental a while back just about when i submited my google sitemap. but in the past few months i have looked around a lot of forums looking for an answer with no result. a while back matt in his blog mentioned something about it relating to the links something like more links a site has more regular results it can have. also there was something about reduced value of non related links and link exchanges in general. it might be a way for them to reduce the work load of the bot any way it seems that now there are a lot of sites have these supplemental result so i want to know what is the problem?
Hehehe, well... If your avatar is any indication of your age, your not a young whipper-snapper either.. To give a hint of my age... the first American President I voted for was JFK , but I swear, I have no moss growing on me.
I will do my best, to give quality information and things to try and how to track progress. Being able to track ones advertising campaigns it crucial in todays marketplace. Be able to understand where your customers are coming from and how they judge a good product is most important. One of the most important things the guys in the DP forums a 'right on the money' about, is having good quality content in your website. That holds true with any company, you must have good quality products and information to have people WANT to buy or come to you. Feel free to ask me about anything you can think of when it comes to advertising. Something to think about: The next time you are in a grocery store (most likely a new one) pay attention to the clicking of the wheels of the grocery cart. Do they click fast or slow? If they click fast, you are more likely to walk slower because the clicking makes you think your walking faster. The slower you walk the better chances you take time to look at other items and BUY!!! This is stuff we come up with... doing the same on websites the same. build it and they will come!!!
Be careful or ol' minstrel will call it garbage. Because recip links are identical to one-ways or so minstrel says. It isn't true but just want to warn you. He likes to go around telling that because back in 2004 when he was born it was the case.
You're way older than me, then. I'm still not allowed to vote for American Presidents Me either. Maybe a spot of fungus here and there, but no moss.
well what is the diffrence between regular result and supplemental. i am also pretty sure i read that in his blog about a month ago i will try to see if i find it
Regular index can rank for any keyword with the right amount of backlinks. Supplemental results are limited to phrases that are obscure and which get ahrdly any searches. This is usually the case for contentless sites but in the case of a update it can happen as well. And I got the date 2004 by your wisdom minstrel