Suggestion for Shawn and itrader

shawn, is it so hard to code itrader rep to take into account a scammer?

say someone posted "links for sale, $5 5 links". and 10 people got the deal, and 5 people paid but never got the links. that is a 1 in 3 chance of a bad deal.

now say 10 gave good itreader but 5 wont give bad itrader for fear of being so honest that they dont want to risk a blemish on their 50+ perfect itrader score.

is it not possable to allow all 5 in the same deal to give neg itrader to the same person, and then protect them from neg itrader from that person?

as a group? if they all felt they were scammed, cant you code it so the scammer cant leave a retaliation neg itrader? to the people he scammed in a deal/thread?

and code it so as a warning pops up saying, " neg itrader has been given to this thread be aware, read the whole thread" that then allows people to make up there own mind,
what happens is people see a deal on page #1, skip the 30 pages of crap and post on page 31 "pm me the details"
and get scammed too.

i feel DP has a little obligation to protect it's honest members, and if dishonest members cant function on DP who's loss is it?

please shawn, try, i only ever made one itrader dead, and that guy was so honest, i would hate to see him given neg itrader because some jerk fell through with a deal and he left them some neg itrader.

work it out, 1/3 should be enough to cancel any neg itrader from a scam.

 

I second this suggestion!

 

I think this is a good idea. ... On second thought... it's really hard to say if there was a scam.

--Joe

 

So you want to be able to give negative itrader to somebody and have the forum block them from responding to it? How is that fair?

How would the forum admins be able to find out if they really were a scammer or if somebody was setting them up?

 

It's a good idea. I do agree the supposed "scammer" should be given a right to defend him/herself. People might team up against a person and abuse this thing if it were to happen.

 

I third this suggestion.

This is something we need in DP to protect its honest members from SCAMMERS.

 

Hey mad4,

You currently have a 100.0% Positive Feedback, with a good iTrader rating of 45. Imagine, you have a deal with some new member and he scammed you some product or your money. You gave him a negative iTrader and he gave the same to you. Even though he is the real scammer you are also getting a negative iTrader.

This may have happened to many people. I have seen several honest members with one or two negative iTrader given by some new members (who were banned after that). Many people may have not given negative iTrader with the fear that they will also get one.

This may happen to anyone!

So I think this is a good suggestion from samantha pia

 

But imagine if somebody gave me negative itrader and I wasn't allowed to respond to it. I would have three options:
Shut up and ignore it
PM a mod and complain
Post in the forum and complain

I doubt Shawn and the mods want to get involved in an argument where somebody wants the right to post itrader feedback.

The whole idea of feedback is that its a persons right to be able to give their comments.

Whenever I have had a dispute in the past I just got paypal to refund me and forgot about it. Takes 5 minutes.

 

I fourth it
But serious evidences need to be provided. How to do that?

 

I agree with it. It'll prevent the abuse as well and give out all the transactions done...

 

i'm with mad4. it's a good idea, but it's just not feasible.

 

Samantha, that was a wonderful idea.

I don't want to speak for others, but for myself. I would think twice or thrice (or ....I don't knw what comes next ) before giving a negative iTrader to anyone. Infact I won't give that to anyone unless he cheats me mercilessly or he leaves me a negative iTrader first. No one will really like to spoil their reputation ( some ppl may say that your reputation will only increase if you expose a scammer, but I don't believe it).
If this idea can be implemented then it will be really useful in exposing almost all the scammers and in making DP a safer place.

 

I guess the bottom line is that we are ultimately responsible for the deals and transactions we conduct here on the forum. It's a good idea to thoroughly evaluate any offers before deciding if it's something you're interested in. Most scams are quite transparent if one does just a little bit of research. While it is possible to get burned, it's not likely if we execrcise a little caution.

I'm going to guess that one of the reasons iTrader was implemented was to provide the members with the benefit of checking another's past track record. By not submitting negative or neutral feedback because of the fear of retaliation is something I don't understand and just allows someone to continue to benefit at the expense of others.

I'm not going to refrain from conducting business with some of you because of one or two negative feedback comments amongst 50 positive ones. In my eyes, it's not near enough for me to question your reputation or integrity.

It's easy enough for to click on the negative iTrader comment and read the thread and form my own opinion about what transpired if I do have concerns about a negative comment. But seeing 5 negative comments associated with one offer will make me think twice.

I don't see how the iTrader system can work to all of our advantage if its not used except to convey positive feedback.

I'm not sure if it's at all possible, but maybe if reciprocated negative feedback showed up as black instead of red it would be easier to identify the negative feedback that might be retaliatory? The chances that someone leaving negative feedback (whether warranted or not) after receiving the same is probably higher.

 

thats the point,
if a guy makes a thread selling hotdogs, and 30 people order a hotdog, 20 get a sausage and bun, and 10 just get the bun, after the thread has been increased by 20 pages of fighting and comments back and forth, new people to the thread see the offer but dont read the 20 pages, and order a hotdog and only get a bun still.
what i am saying is, to stop people falling for a scam. is it not possable to allow the people that feel they have been scammed, to click on an icon, that when X% is reached, the 1st post flashes a warning, to read the whole thread as something might be amiss.
and if the scammer is given neg itrader from enough people in the one thread, then his retaliation neg itrader is not counted,

this cant be abused if enough people are dealing with the person and giving good itrader if the % giving neg itrader is not reached.

 

Good suggestion,
but I thing is best for scamers is open thread and say "this guy is scam in DP or other forum with this e-mail, IP, and ..."
And why admins not opening some forum about Warnings & Alerts

 

Because the management is not interested in interfering in conflicts between members. Or in more clear words, they want each and every member to stay here .

 

I have preached the itrader thing forever and then some, seems to be no luck. Personally, I think if a personal is a known scammer, their negative feedback should be removed especially if you can prove that but even then nada. The only advice I can give is as others have given which is, live with it. Sorry.

 

then maybe the itrader should be removed all together?

and allow people to fight it out in the forums and get banned.

 

I agree ths sytem is very much flawed but it's the best system that is available. It goes back to ebay and since, no one has found a better solution. Certainly with the millions of people and billions at stake all over the world, beyond this forum and into online commerce and auctions, it is a serious issue but again, you have the best of the only viable solution. Sorry but that's really the way it is.