I think it's pretty dodgy that you seem to be implying it isn't a serious matter; child rape is quite possibly the worst crime there is. You didn't answer my question; yet you asked me one. Don't expect an answer until you answer me. That said; if I do want Muslims obliterated this thread might help you see why. A bunch of them claiming fucking children is OK - it's enough to cause even the most open minded person to question whether or not such a thing should be allowed to exist. Maybe you want your children raped, new, but personally I'd be cutting throats before I ever let that happen.
Woman has the right to accept or reject marriage proposals. Her consent is a prerequisite to the validity of the marital contract, according to the Prophet’s teaching. It follows that if an "arranged marriage" means the marrying of a female without her consent, then such a marriage may be annulled if the female so wishes: Ibn Abbas reported that a girl came to the Messenger of Allah, and she reported that her father had forced her to marry without her consent. The Messenger of God gave her the choice...(between accepting the marriage or invalidating it) (Ahmad, Hadith no. 2469). another version of the report states that “the girl said: ‘Actually, I accept this marriage, but I wanted to let women know that parents have no right to force a husband on them.’†(Ibn-Majah). The Muslim scholar, Dr. Bilal Philips had to say the following about Chilad marriage in a recent interview: The concept of child marriage, of course in Islam, if a person classified as a child is married, when they reached the age of puberty and maturity, then they have a right to choose whether to go on with that marriage or not. So it becomes a marriage on paper. You know, they take place on paper on agreements with families; it is not going to be done again between individuals where the possibility of exploitation is, you know, more prevalent; but once the person reaches of age, it could be between two young people or could be a younger person and an older person, you know, either way male-female, female-male and when they reach that age of puberty then the decision is theirs. I know there has been something in the newspaper quite recently also, you know, concerning there is a girl in some place in the States who is about 13 years old got married, you know; it was a big thing to do that , particularly in the States; that State doesn't have clear laws prohibiting it. So there was a big uproar about it, you know. But it had been going on for quiet a long time … in the previous century the nineteenth, eighteenth … this is something not uncommon. The desire to want to protect young people is a genuine desire; but where, you know, families are involved, people are not being forced etc, then this is not something which should be looked at in the negative light. But before we go on to another issue, there is another point that I think is important, to touch on in the arranged marriage setup. Why it is that the West is so much opposed to this and that would … I think this is an important point because if it was common in the West before but now it is looked at so negatively there must be some factor and I think this is what we need to address that really from a Western point of view because the families are broken up to such a degree that individuals are now on their own - a young woman leaves her home, she reaches her mid teens or whatever, she has to go out on her own and fend for herself. The idea of parents coming after that by telling who's good for you to marry this one or that one, it becomes ludicrous because she is now on her own taking care of herself. Why would anybody now want to come and tell her whom she should marry or would be good for her to marry. This is something totally in her own hands. Similarly with the young man : no suggestions, why suggestions because he is taking care of himself and so it is in this context that the idea of an arranged marriage may seem so unnatural whereas in the context where families are intact, you know, and children remain in the home until, you know, they reach the point of marriage and then they leave the home, then, it is not unreasonable or not, you know, it should not seem strange and it doesn't to those people to marry on this basis. Al-Azhar Al-Sharif, the highest religious body in the Sunni world, has recently released a new manual on the rights of Muslim children. "Marriage in Islam is regulated by certain rules, namely, children must reach puberty and maturity so that they can get married," it reads.
very serious, it sure is very serious a lot more serious than asking for the cold blooded genocide of children, men, women, just because they happen to be Muslim That said, I do want Muslims to see this thread, A bunch of hateful individuals claiming that genocide of Muslims is OK
Many complain about the marriage of Prophet(p) to Aisha because of her age which was common during that time. More interesting is the fact that no one have issues with the age of (Mary the mother of Prophet Jesus) when she had Jesus. Probably because they are never told this and no Muslim likes to bring it up because of respect. With no disrespect to Prophet Jesus (PBUH), his mother or his other family and friends. "Joseph, Mary's husband, was 90 years old" when he married 12 to 14 year old Mary. (Catholic Encyclopedia) Mary was pregnant with Jesus when she was 12 yrs old. ISAAC’S AGE WAS 37 WHEN HE MARRIED 3 YRS OLD (Rebecca) BIBLE: BOOK OF GENESIS! Rivkha Early marriages were the norm rather than the exception even till the late twelfth century. Could be cultural or life expectancy or whatever. Brides as young as eight were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility. According to William of Tyre, Agnes was only eight on her arrival at Constantinople, while Alexius was thirteen; in fact Alexius was born on 14 September 1169 Oh i again forget writing to you guys is just waste of time
The Muslims in this thread who have claimed they'd marry an 8 year old, or that it is OK to rape kids because your prophet (the paedophile) did it, do need to be wiped out - as do all child abusers. This isn't about religion; it's about assholes who rape kids. They do need to die; Muslim, Jew, Catholic, Atheist; whatever.
I was talking to new, not you. However I will point out that Jesus never had sex with Mary - so it isn't really the same thing. :S
Thats show to me how chilidh you guys are any ways May God help you to understand the Truth Good bye vebtools
Not with children it isn't you nonce. Is there some child protection agency we can report these people to?
Every time I feel depressed that there are people out there who still exist who believe raping kids is OK, or other evils of the like, you turn up and make me smile. ^-^; Always nice to be reminded there are a lot of good men around, too.
It's ok to have sex with an 8 year old girl as long as you marry her first? Congratulations -- You're justifying forced child marriage/rape because your crappy old book says it's ok.
damn!!! the topic is why hatred and you are going on making hatred statements on each other bad and good are there in all religions its just who we take note of makes the difference I think you guys need to calm down and think peacefully, all religions have their own customs, as long as they aren't brutal and against humanity they must be left alone for some the religions give them faith and it works good psychologically for others it doesn't, so respect your own religion and be happy, if u don't have faith or believe in religions its well and good - But don't dis-respect others
now please stop this nonsense, live in the reality world, past is past, no one can do anything about it now, why can't we make a better future ?? having sex with an 8yr old is considered child rape ir-respective of the religion, a girl must be min. 14 or 15 before she is to be called safe for sex and min.. 18 for legal sex, don't debate on the un-necessary issues now, use your energy for some thing useful
@Rebecca , I just don't want to Curse your book ,,, More than 200 Contradictions and Errors , I wonder how can you believe a book you written yourselves , Click here to see 101 contradictions , I just don't want somebody to hate me except ( stox , ALex , ... ) I don't care for them . Qura'n has no single contradiction ! And don't tell me there is because you don't even understand deep Arabic , So all you try is to talk about Prophet Mohamed's marriage to Aisha when she was 9 , With no proof that there was a relation between them . Also the marriage was for a reason which is to record his speechs and tell it to people afterwards ... And she was very happy with him .. Did she complain ?! Qura'n didn't speak about such things , and you can read the line above the quote . At the End , I'm sorry for your Ignorance , There's a complete science for studying Quran and Islam and you have to learn it first before criticizing anything .
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Muslims of the forum for highlighting why it's not only understandable but necessary for us to be intollerant of Islam.
In which relugion you guys read that having sex with wife is called rape? in this thread i write thousands time that Woman has the right to accept or reject marriage proposals. if a 8 year girl has ability to accept a man as husband than why not? Thats was past.. 1400 year ago such marriages was normal not only iin Islam but also in other religion ( I proved in my previous posts ) what does Probably mean in science? ability to gave a birth of child Islam does not support forced marriage.. A marriage could not be completed without girl and boy acceptance. So, stop imagining your own stories and read carefully all the stuff here, otherwise leave the thread because this is mature discussion not for those who had brain of a 10 year old kid. how crap you guys are... just read out your own books to understand the meaning of such thing
You can't see how an 8 year old child lacks the capacity to consent to marriage and sex with a grown man? Not to mention the sickness that must exist in the mind of a grown man to ask them such a disgusting thing. What you just said is very disturbing and highlights just how out of touch with reality you are. Of course, this is all just a front. In practice you don't believe the stuff you say is moral any more than I do. For instance, if you had an eight year old daughter and a 50 year old man asked to marry her and subsiquently end up having sex with her you wouldn't allow this to go ahead regardless if she agreed to it. Eventually your human compasion and sense of decentcy, regardless how eroded it is from having defend a primitive book full of utter filth, would kick in.
I'm inclined to hear an answer to this; Would you let a 50 year old marry and rape your 8 year old daughter? (Directed at anyone in this thread who's previously expressed that this is just fine.) Oh and Masterio - I don't believe that child rape falls into the non brutal category.