Study: 41 million in U.S. can't afford basics

Don't forget all those services they get as well
Around by me there are apartments that ONLY they can get into, there is employment centers that ONLY they can use, there is also a bus service that picks up their children for activities ONLY for them.

Then you have the school systems, such as the one my son is in. In order to have enough services for the few of them that go to the school other services and teachers were cut. Yeah real fair to shaft the citizens for the illegals, real fair...

 

Legalize the illegals, even if it is just legal work status, help our job rate/unemployment numbers some more.

 

gemini181:

Iraq isn't a war, it's one campaign in a war.

You can't come up with reasonable conclusions unless you start from the right place, and that is a terribly important distinction. Without this understanding, it would be like trying to understand the Normandy Invasion without understanding WWII.

Once you understand the Iraqi campaign in it's proper context a lot of those other misconceptions will simply disappear.

President Bush didn't invent Islamic fascism, he was born 1,300 years too late for that. President Bush isn't even the first U.S. President to deal with this issue, that was Thomas Jefferson.

Could you please list for me the freedoms that you believe you have surrendered in the last seven years?

 

I'm a free market capitalist to, and I believe in people being able to climb the social ladder. If you're born poor, but you work hard, take risks, or develop special skills, you should be able to become rich.

By your post, your precise problem is that you place the primary blame for the country's problems on the liberals. While you attack the conservatives to some degree, it is the liberals that you give the primary blame for the problems.

This means that you're caught in what I want to call the false left/right paradigm. You blame the liberals, and indeed, even though they are a PART of the problem, main line liberals are just one side of the same coin, the same coin of which the neocons share the opposite side.

You see Will, you've confused conservative with neoconservative, and I've seen a lot of people here at DP do this. Neocons and conservatives are not the same group of people.......just as liberals and neoliberals are not the same group of people.

Ron Paul is a conservative.......George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condoleeza Rice are Neoconservatives.........there is a major difference between the two.

It doesn't matter whether a main line Democrat or Republican gets in office in 08, because they're all controlled by the same old line families and corporate interests, and me, AGS, Guerilla, and others have said this so many times.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who is not a fake shill for the big corporations, and sure enough, they try to ignore him, down playing his success in the polls, and using other tactics.

The main line Republicans want a country in which big government is partnered up with global corporations, essentially destroying the Middle Class, and main line Democrats want the government to be 100% in control, creating a welfare state where everyone is taken care of from cradle to grave, and this means they will tax those who work hard for their wealth, and give it to those who don't, again, this leads to the end of the Middle Class to, because they have to pay higher taxes.

Main line Republicans = Fascism, and Main line Democrats = "Socialism." Both paths leads to the same result, which is the end of America. The sooner you realize this, the better off you will be, because you will vote for a true candidate like Ron Paul that tells it like it is, and isn't controlled by global corporate interests.

 

Will, it seems as if you're really into philosophy, so I would suggest to you to read up on the Hegelian Dialectic, a concept created by the philosopher Hegel:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_Dialectic

Thesis + Anti-Thesis = Synthesis

The Democrats are the "Thesis", the Republicans are the "Anti-Thesis" and the "Synthesis" is the end of America and the creation of the North American Union.

 

Your attempt to compare the European immigrants who came here to the current situation is ridiculous. There are a number of of reasons for this:

1. The immigrants who came through Ellis Island came LEGALLY. They were processed into the country. They didn't sneak past a fence. They were checked for diseases, and the government strictly controlled how many could come.

2. When the immigrants came through Ellis Island, the U.S. actually NEEDED immigrants. The population was small, and the country was still growing. These immigrants ADDED something to the American economy. Many of them, like Nikola Tesla, advanced the U.S. through advanced made in technology. The illegal immigrants of today are basically a burden on the system.

This country has over 300 million people. We don't need anymore immigrants from Mexico, or anywhere else.......especially those who don't benefit society, who burden the system, end up on welfare, and don't pay taxes.

By the way, the new immigration bill that Bush is proposing, the DREAM ACT, will allow illegal immigrants to get special college tuition payments that are not available to native born American. Shows how what the U.S. government thinks about American citizens.

Michelle Malkin even wrote an article talking about all the advantages these immigrants will get when compared to U.S. citizens.

Those of you who support the DREAM ACT are making a huge mistake, you're taking your own poison. I don't know what part of SKILLED LABOR you don't understand. If this Dream Act bill passes, skilled immigrant workers will begin flooding the country, and this means more competition for all those "skilled jobs that Will says Americans moved up to once the Illegals took jobs Americans wouldn't do."

This means basically anything is fair game, no job is secure. We've already got jobs being outsourced to India and China, and as if that isn't bad enough, the government and corporations which control it throw more fuel on the fire by proposing a bill which allows unlimited skilled and Unskilled workers to enter the country.

I know a guy who works at the hospital in the city where I live, and he has told me that Filipino workers are already being brought into the countries on Visas to work here. Its going to suck when you can't get a skilled job because you have to compete with a large pool of immigrants who will work for cheaper wages. The only people this benefits are the corporations that hire them.

Imagine spending four years in college, racking up huge student loans, just to graduate and find out that all the jobs have either been outsourced, or are filled by skilled immigrants workers..........and you're in debt. It isn't a pretty picture, and yet, many Americans students in college today don't even realize that this is their future.

 

Yeah........Americans can really do well on $5 per hour, especially if they live in Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, or Miami...........

In these cities, $5 per hour gets you a great card board box with a magnificent view. The only places you can afford to live are ghettos that are so dangerous that you might get shot while walking outside, and in LA and San Francisco, even living in the Ghetto requires you to spend about $900 per month or more. $5 may pay the rent, but that is all it will pay....

$5 per hour times 8 hours equals $40 bucks a day, or $200 per week. This is $800 per month. In a major city such as Los Angeles, New York, or Boston, this would barely be able to pay just the rent, and any apartment in these cities with this rate are in the most dangerous neighborhoods. You would starve either way, and this is exactly why these immigrants live 6 people to one apartment, which sounds like a great standard of living. Very pristine..........

 

are you still clinging to the idea that invading Iraq was a good idea? Don't you watch the news?

are you one of those people who just can't admit they were wrong?

 

We went in there thinking there were WMDs in the hands of a dictator that enjoyed pestering the U.S. Even thought that wasn't true, I wouldn't want to living in a paranoid state. In the end there is a big democratic presence in the middle east now and I hope that people from around there can see how it works and think that it is not that of a thing. And importantly that it is something they can make their own, like we did.

 

No it does not. Our freedom comes from the Constitution. It guarantees individual rights, not group rights, and it specifically seeks to restrain government from growing large or pervasive enough to be authoritarian.

What about Kuwait? UAE? Saudi Arabia? Are these exceptions to the norm?

That is a myth. Our freedom comes from our Constitution. Unless you believe that America will be invaded, I do not understand how we will lose our legal rights in our own country to a foreign enemy.

Wow, this is pretty bizarre. You're actually this scared of Islam? A bunch of 3rd World Nations, most of which do not have nukes, a navy, an air force and barely an army?

Countries that are so poor, that the emergence of viable alternative energy sources would probably bankrupt them?

Countries that are so poor, less than 50% of the population achieves any kind of significant educational standard?

This is not a personal attack, but I'm pretty embarrassed for you. The concept of walking tall seems to have been lost. We could wipe any country off of the earth in 3 hours,and you're concerned about being enslaved?

Who the heck holds the biggest stick in this fight? It's like Goliath pissing his pants at the sight of a one-armed, one-eyed, midget David on crutches.

Wow. All I can say is, wow.

I think you need to get out and travel a little. See the world and meet people in other places. See how they live, what they eat, what their aspirations are. It sounds like you have a really narrow perspective for someone who preaches globalism and a one world government.

 

they will swim their camels over here and take over, next thing you now willie will have burka on

 

Does anyone know the answer?

 

Will, we have lost a lot of freedoms. I will go ahead and list some of them:

1. Free Speech Zones: The government is now saying that when Americans protest, their are specific zones where they are required to do it, usually three miles away from the actual event. This is the beginning of the end of free speech.

2. The Patriot Act: Under the Patriot, Terrorism is defined as "any act which threatens human life." This means any American could be defined as a terrorist for any reason, and would be liable for the consequences defined under the Patriot Act.

3. NSA Wiretapping: The government spies on Americans in violation of the fourth amendment, and without going through the FISA courts. There goes yet another amendment of the Constitution. The government can now tap your cell phone without you knowing it, and announces it on Fox News!

4. UN owns large parts of the US: Yep, thats right. Certain areas of the United States are defined as "Heritage Sites" and the United Nations, not the United States, owns them.

5. REAL ID Act: This is self explanatory. Forcing Americans to get ID cards which puts them all in on database is not only in violation of everything this country stands for, it makes us all prime targets for identity theft.

6. Presidential Directive 51: Gives UN Continuity of government power in the even there is a national emergency, taking away the power from Congress or the president.

7. Veterans being banned from owning guns: The government is currently in the process of creating a provision that blocks vets or former police officers from owning any guns.

8. North American Union: Once America is merged with Mexico and Canada, Americans will have to follow new laws, and the Constitution will be dismantled.


Here are just eight examples, do you want me to list some more?

 

This question was answered by Edward Bernays, the father of public relations, on page 71 of his book Propaganda:


"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

 

Here is the $64,000 question. Who is Bernays talking about when he uses the term "men we have never heard of?" Keep in mind, this quote comes from Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, the nephew of Sigmund Freud.

I want you guys to read the quote VERY carefully and think about what he is saying.........

 

Because the rich have a tendency to live in ivory towers, it is often hard for them to know what is happening on the ground........

 

The problem with free speech is even bigger than this. I have some Iranian friends from the time that I studied in the university and these people have lived in USA for over 30 years. They are American citizens, their wives are Americans, their children don't even speak Persian and they have high position jobs in different big corporation.

I called one of these friends awhile back and I asked him what does he think about the war and how Americans in general feel about it. His answer was that he doesn't want to talk about the war because he thinks the government is listening to all Iranians (He has been living in USA over 30 years and he is American citizen) telephone conversations and he can get in trouble if he says anything against the government policies.

This is the true limit to free speech when people on their own free will, decide to censor themselves in order to avoid possible problems or when people refuse to borrow or buy certain books because they are afraid to end up in a secret database that can get them in trouble or end their career.

Is government listening to every phone or register every book purchase? May be not but that is not important as long as people are uncertain of what government is doing and therefore are scared to express themselves.

 

With the Patriot Act, the government has the power to tap phones, monitor bank accounts, and monitor what books you buy. I heard on the news about a year ago that libraries were battling the Feds over the issue of giving the Feds the right to check up on what people were reading.

Yeah, the concept of America being a free country is a very big illusion.

I see that no one has answered this question yet, so I will answer it: The "men we have never heard of" the men that Bernays is talking about in his quote, are the members of the very same secret societies that control our government.....the Skull in Bones, Bilderberg, CFR, Club of Rome, Illuminati.....

I get made fun of for being a "conspiracy theorist" when Edward Bernays, who was named by time magazine as one of the most influential people of the 20th century, who was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, basically admits in his book that a small handful of people control our government, and through the government control the people.

For those of you who are STILL in denial, and think everything is ok, I will post the quote one more time, emphasizing important parts in bold:


"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."


Bernays makes its clear that everything AGS, me, and the others are saying is true. Yes, there is a conspiracy, but it isn't a theory. The world's most powerful people have decided its time to wipe the rest of us out.........and they plan on living for thousands of years through life extension technologies, but thats another subject for another time.......

 

1. I haven't "surrendered" any freedoms Wil. Anti American, anti-freedom traitors (in DC.) have taken them away.
2. You seem to talk like a dedicated Neo-con believer.
3. Please, enjoy the rest of your life, and perhaps someday re-evaluate your core positions.

Tesla does a great job of this in post #293

• Have you looked them over Wil?
• How many of them concern you??
• I might never see your reply, but the rest of the world Wil

 

Some very interesting "points" you "gentlemen" have.

Let's take just the highlights first!

Thank you for the implication that I may not have ever heard of Hegel or the Hegelian Dialectic.

Hegel was the teacher of Marx and the Dialectic was the foundation of Marxism.

Anyone who ever attended Public School in America is fully steeped in Marxist philosophy.

Thank you for that wonderfully simple implication what I might be barfoot and living out of my truck. I am hoping one day to get access to dat dere Internet thingy.

Yes. I am psychologically damaged. I also chew my own toenails.

If I gave you a big fat turd and told you it was a silver dollar, would you be able to deposit it at the bank?

Yes, I have no pride. I am a complete loser who is afraid to stand up for anything.

Yes, I have not lived and worked on four continents. I never built communications systems to get people all over the globe on the Internet.

I just imagined founding and managing two international businesses.

I like to wear womens clothing. It makes me feel pretty.




With great arguments like these, it's a wonder DP doesn't achieve world acclaim as a hub of political thought!

Please pardon me for a time, while I consider the value of reading further posts of such incredible quality.