Study: 41 million in U.S. can't afford basics

You missed the point, management is irrelevant. The government, not a private central bank, is supposed to be responsible for managing our economic system....but the government never follows the Constitution, and that is why we're in this mess anyway.

The Fed is as Federal as Federal Express or Bank of America, it is no different from every other bank in this country, except it is the bank that gets to print money and loan it out to the government, which is why it is the most powerful.

And paying the "brown man" $5 per hour to pick tomatoes is giving him a great quality of life? Also, your assumption that we don't have an effective system for legal immigration is absolutely ridiculous. The way they did it on Ellis Island worked pretty well I think.........

The only one who doesn't understand immigration is you Will. When you allow third world populations to immigrate to your country, you become a third world country. These people are not educated, don't speak the language, and most don't have any advanced skills in science and technology. Most importantly, THEY DON"T RESPECT AMERICA, DON"T WANT TO BE ASSIMILATED, and HAVE LOYALTY TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. Which is precisely why they hang up the Mexican flag instead of the American one.

The only people who illegal immigrants benefit are the robber baron companies who exploit them, and the government who is in bed with the robber barons. For the rest of us........it sucks. I've said it once, I will say it again: Americans will pick tomatoes if you pay them enough, the problem is, nobody can survive on $5 per hour, because the cost of everything has gone up, because of inflation, and the government's poor management of money.

 

BTW, Consuela is only a conversational tool.

My three housekeepers are all legal immigrants from Communist China.

 

yeah, well I lived for years in Mexican neighborhoods san Fransisco and my personal experience would say other wise

Prisons are filled with illegals, not all from Mexico, a lot of central and south American

isn't the cato institute just a pro-business circle jerk?

have you guys heard about ms-13 yet, pretty sweet illegal immigrant gang,

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-05-gang-grows_x.htm

yeah, I think the whole ALL illegals are great people coming to clean and toilets for $4 an hour, image is bullshit

 

#1 Figured that
#2 Busted a gut

 

And the government does, by delegating it to someone more competent.

Please show me what in the Constitution makes this illegal.

It's called the Free Market. It's the only economic system which has ever produced long-term freedom and prosperity.

Ellis Island is a museum now.

Our immigration quotas are insanely low and the immigration bureaucracy is insanely difficult to navigate.

The "illegals" would be "legal" if it were realistically possible.

Thanks for the personal attack. I'm collecting.

When you have less-skilled labor enter a market, what it does is push up the existing labor. So, when you introduce an influx of Mexicans into the U.S. economy, the Mexicans take the worst jobs and the Americans get pushed up into better jobs -- many of which are newly created because the economy is now larger.

Economics isn't a zero-sum game.

 

It isn't in the Constitution, it was established by an act of congress in 1789, which gave the government, not a private bank, the power to regulate and coin money. We have the U.S. Treasury, we don't need the Fed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Treasury

No, its actually called breaking the law. When you allow people to work for your company illegally, thats against the law. It has nothing to do with a free market what so ever.

There is a reason why the immigration bureaucracy is hard to follow: because no country run by smart people wants to be overrun with third world, uneducated people who only burden the system. A country run by smart people only wants immigrants with technical skills and high levels of education , who can actually "add" something to the economy, instead of being on welfare.

Yeah, a personal attack..........no MOD will consider that a personal attack, and you know it....

And what is this logic based on? No, actually what happens is, the jobs that Americans formerly did have wages which become lower, and then illegals take over these jobs, and though Americans may move into better jobs, the illegals just get exploited, and are basically an underclass.

After a while, the illegals get tired of being the underclass, and resentment leads to the riots like we had last year in France........

 

This is why you support increased immigration, because you benefit from it. Of course, a handful of rich people who exploit the workers are naturally the ones who would argue for them to come.

You talk about "keeping the brown man" down, but you do it when you exploit them, and pay them low wages that no native born American would accept, because they can't survive on it.

One more thing. If you really studied history, you would know that one of the main reasons why Rome fell was because of immigration. At its height, much of Rome's military force was composed of immigrants, and a large segment of its population were immigrants. Today, the U.S. military is increasingly using illegals in the army.

Will, if you honestly think that illegals are happy with picking tomatoes for $5 per hour, you're gravely mistaken. These people aren't stupid. They know they're an underclass. They know they're the "black sheep" of American society. They were already marching in the streets this year asking for their rights, and eventually, I think things will escalate, and we will have riots similar to what we saw in France last year.

Once the riots start, and these immigrants are setting buildings on fire, and people are getting killed in the streets, Will, I just want you to know that the government was behind it, and was setting this country up for the scenario. The government knows full well what its doing, make no mistake about that.

America is being set up, it is being merged with Canada and Mexico, and flooding America with illegals is just the first step. Also, I just thought about one more thing. You said that illegals will take the worse jobs, allowing Americans to move up to "better jobs." LOL, this is ridiculous.

Actually, the Amnesty Bill Bush proposed would bring unskilled and SKILLED immigrant workers into the U.S. Do you know what that means? It means that these higher paying jobs American would move up to would become the target of the skilled illegals, the ones who are educated and know how to speak English. Think about that one...........

 

We almost need a thread on Rome/US imperial comparisons. Some folks might benefit from recognizing the timeline of such a convergence.

 

That would be interesting to say the least

I'm more than a bit rusty on such subjects

 

I think a lot of people are rusty on history.

That's one of the reasons I am against Amnesty. You're granting a path or direct citizenship to people who do not have a background in the history, culture or legal system of this country.

We don't know if they are criminals in their own countries, if they meet the education standards we set for immigrants from other countries, etc.

If this country is truly concerned about terrorism, then adding 20 million unknown citizens to the mix is not the way to go about maintaining sovereignty or security. If these people want to get in the back of the line, apply like everyone else, and truly want to be American, that's a different story. If they are only here for work, or because the corruption of Mexico makes them refugees, then forget it. Our first tact in that instance should be pressuring Mexico to clean up it's act and enforce border security.

 

Yeah, Gtech criticizes Ron Paul for not being strong on foreign policy, but at the same time, the current president can't even seal the borders, but we need to Invade Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran, because we need to "fight terrorism."

It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Our border is wide open, millions of illegals flood over, anyone of which could have a bioweapon or a suitcase nuke, and our military force is thousands of miles of way in a foreign country.........I mean, it doesn't get anymore obvious than this.

The similarities between Rome and the present day U.S. frighten me. So many people overlook history, I mean, it is one of the most important subjects you could study. If you don't know where you've been, your sure as hell don't know where you're going.

Guys like Will can't see reality for what it is. I can't blame him, he is wealthy, sometimes wealthy people live so high in their ivory towers that they can't see what is happening on the ground.

Think of this illustration. Imagine a prince in his Ivory tower, in all his glory, who thinks everything is great. Repeated warnings come from the bottom warning him that erosion is eating away the foundation of his tower, and it won't be long before the ground gives way, and the tower falls into the sea.

The prince, however, is so arrogant, and because of his wealth, refuses to listen to those lower class fools who dare tell him there is a problem. So he continues believing everything is ok, and one day, sure enough, the ground gives way, and the tower, the prince, and all his riches, goes right into the sea........and the prince perishes.

This is the perfect analogy for rich people who think everything is fine in the U.S. because they have money, and everything is great for them.

But with Will, I actually don't think this is the case. This is the same person who started a thread talking about which countries he could move to, which tells me that, deep down inside, he knows this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

Excellent points.
There are some immigrants that know more about our history than most of our citizens, this however is not all of them. Many come over here and try to live like they did in their old country which can equate to breaking our laws if they intended to or not. Well considering they broke the law just getting into this country if they are an illegal, to me it's shocking that we want to award them for breaking our laws yet let our own citizens rot in prison for such petty crimes as marijuana.

BTW I am not to 'put the brown man' down as someone put it. I am against illegal immigration, be it Mexican, African, German, white, black, brown or blue with pink polka dots

 

Here is the thread Will started which I referenced in my last post:http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=153883

This is a very interesting thread. It says a lot. It tells me that the person who started it wants to leave the U.S. for some reason. Since the U.S. is generally regarded by most Americans as the best country in the world, it is somewhat unusual to see an American who want to move someplace else.

However, considering the present situation in the country, I understand. You see, Will, you know deep down inside that everything me, Guerilla and the others are saying is true. You know this country is in decline. You know its headed into the toilet.

Though you make excuses for what is happening, I think your actions speak louder than your words. You know the truth of the matter, because the truth can never be ignored. However, being in denial won't help anything, and running to another country, at best, may solve the problem temporarily. The problem is, if you want to leave this country because of the present situation, I would like to let you know that this problem is global, not national.

 

tesla:

We both agree that there are problems in this country, but we do not agree on what those problems are or on what the solutions should be.

I am a free market capitalist. I see that the current populist movement in this country is on a path which will destroy the economy. I also see that the current liberal movement in this country which will destroy the economy. The conservatives... I can't say that they have a path.

When the government drives successful people out of the country and out of the national economy, there is a problem -- not for the people but for the country.

 

How can a "free market capitalist" expect to support the wars you debate in favor of?
Endless, immoral war destroys what little bit of a free market we have left.
Right?

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Free market capitalism requires small de-centralized government.
Endless, immoral war requires big government.
What will you do???

 

Free market capitalism requires freedom.

Our freedom comes from Western civilization.

Islam is not accepting of Western civilization, freedom, or free market capitalism.

If we lose this war, we lose our civilization, our freedom, and our free markets.

We lose everything that is good in the world and we enter a world of slavery to the strictures of an ancient religion.

Sorry, I'm not interested in that future, either for this generation or for future generations.

 

Oh, you mean the bogus war based on endless lies and propaganda

Islamic Fascism: The Propaganda of Our Times
Paul R. Dunn speaks of the misuse of the term Islamic Fascism by President Bush

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ps. "Our freedom comes from Western civilization."

• Our freedom comes from a great experiment in limited government...
• One which the world used to truly admire
• Now we rush to surrender our freedom, why???
• Because we believe the BS on TV (and radio talk shows)
• What is left for our enemies to do, if our own government keeps us afraid???

 

Last time I checked Fred Smith Chairman and CEO of FedEX didn’t have to be approved by the senate like Bernanke had been. Also Fred Smith doesn’t have to testify twice a year before the Senate like Chairman of the Fed Does, In fact no private CEO has to testify in front of congress while the chairman of the FED does. So your assertion that the Federal Reserve is a private company is completely false.

Most people who came here through Ellis Island came from third world countires during that time, most were not educated, most didn't speak the language and most didn't assimilate well either, they formed their own communities and stuck together, their children on the other hand did get educated, did learn the language and did assimilate into this country and that's also what will happen to the mexicans that are coming over here.

Isn't it funny how a Mexican will pick tomatoes for $5 an hour and survive but an American can't survive on similar wages?

 

yeah I know, sleeping 3 to 4 to a bedroom should be how everyone lives

 

So why do we require everything to be in Spanish as well as English? These days assimilation is optional. There are illegals that have been here for years and refuse to learn English.

Again you're confusing legal immigrants (those who want to live here permanently) and illegal immigrants (those who are just here for the money which they then ship back to mexico).

Last year or the year before they had a huge "yes we can" march on May day and were carrying around Mexican flags and not US flags. OOOOoooops.

There is a movement to try to return the southern US back into Mexico and to do it, they just need to flood these states with Mexicans so they can over power the government and get laws passed in their favor.

That's how we got it. We just kinda moved in and after awhile we outnumbered the Mexicans so we took it from them. Several hundred years ago.