Study: 41 million in U.S. can't afford basics

Oy vey... starting a war with our Southern neighbor... all in the name of preventing me from being able to find an affordable housekeeper.

 

Yeah because it's almost just affordable housekeepers

Turning a blind eye to the problem just for you to have that affordable housekeeper is more the way it looks to me..

 

Here's the problems I see:

• We have a welfare state that is horribly mismanaged and running out of control.
• We do not have an effective system for legal immigration.
• We have a huge portion of our populace with a completely incorrect understanding of the economic impact of immigration.

None of these will be solved by keeping the brown man down.

 

I know because allowing you to exploit illegals for cheap housework is what is important

 

Hell yeah baby, free market economy all the way!

And yet you think I'm exploiting Consuela by giving her a job that she asked for, whilst others in this thread are "protecting" her by building a fence to keep her out and by shooting her if she tries to get over/under/around the fence.

You're all such NICE people!

Let me tell you, Consuela is a human the same as any of you and she has just as much right to a job as any of you.

 

To a job, not to 'legally' be in the country.

To me it appears people like you are using the illegals, since you get a benefit you march for helping them in a desperate attempt to keep your ill gotten gains.

I'm for protecting the country and it's citizens btw Not using an illegal to my advantage, if that equates to produce and other items costing a bit more so be it.

 

You're protecting the county from prosperity.

Or are you really afraid of Consuela and her mop?

 

Nope those who 'illegally' come here you know 'illegally' and do not work, who sit on the 'welfare state' and cost this country much more than they bring.

Are you protecting the country, or your personal wallet?

 

Grim, do you really believe that all those who come illegal don't work?

 

We should also bring back slavery because my Levi's cost too much.

The number you're looking for is:

For every 1 dollar that illegals put into our system, they take 2 out.

The study that showed a positive net gain included ALL immigrants. It did not single out illegals.

Why do we need illegals when we have plenty of unemployed Americans that could use a job? The jobs that most illegals take are the jobs that teenagers should be doing to get work experience. They also take jobs that Americans want to do. Contractors like illegals better than Americans because it's cheaper. Cheaper means lower prices which means more sales. Illegals also can't file lawsuits against their employer which makes the employer happy.

Why is it that at McDonald's you find grown hispanic workers when at In 'N Out you find teenagers? McDonald's pays minimum wage. In 'N Out pay $9 an hour to start. Now consider that one of the big McD franchise owners is fighting the employer sanctions law.

When both places have comparable prices, why is one able to pay workers so much more?

 

The National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences estimated that the typical immigrant and his or her children will pay $80,000 more in taxes than they will receive in local, state, and federal benefits over their lifetimes.

Using calculations by Social Security Administration actuaries, Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute said, "I find that the total net benefit (taxes paid over benefits received) to the Social Security system in 1998 dollars from continuing current levels of immigration is nearly $500 billion from 1998–2022 and nearly $2.0 trillion through 2072. Continuing immigration is an essential component to solving the long term financing problem of the Social Security system."

You can find an enormous wealth of data in Immigration: The Demographic and Economic Facts, published by the Cato Institute.

 

What are the numbers for the typical ILLEGAL immigrant?

Nobody is arguing that legal immigrants are good for the country. If they weren't we'd probably still be singing our praises to the King and Queen.

 

If you are taking issue with what I said, you misunderstood me. I was asking grim if he thought all illegals don't work. That was simply it. I am not arguing your points here in any way, in fact you will find I probably agree with most of what you say.

Immigration is good. We need to work with the Mexican government to allow for work visas and legal immigration. I heard that many Mexicans - if they are more of the native Mexican (Indian) that they aren't even given birth certificates because of the chaste system there.

 

Our current unemployment is almost entirely frictional unemployment, there is almost no structural unemployment in this country at this time.

You can't make people work who don't want to or need to -- and you definitely can't make them take the jobs that an immigrant will be happy to do.

 

Prior to the debt facility provided by the Federal Reserve, Congress had a decent record on balancing the books.

Then why don't they delegate the Pentagon to a "non-governmental" agency? Why don't they delegate the Department of Education to a "non-governmental" agency? Are you saying the government does not employ experts?

I've been managing you for days, but my first management experience was 11 years ago.

 

Do you really believe all illegals come here to work?

Some just come to sell drugs, the prisons are full of them.

Sure many come to work but not all, and how the housing market is taking dump, when they get laid off all those construction jobs, do you think they are going to just go home, ,many will stay , some will find new jobs some will just sponge.

 

The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#A_brief_history_of_the_debt
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Of course they should! Private enterprise is, in almost every case, more effective and more efficient than government.

In this case, those experts are called... <drum roll> The Federal Reserve.

Then you should know this stuff.

 

the only reason you want illegals to clean your house is because you can pay them less then citizens, while you save a buck "Consuela" goes to the emergency room whenever she is sick and runs up medical bills that in the end we will pay for. She will probably have kids on the tax payers dime.

Why don't you hire americans? Can't even believe someone would brag about hiring illegals.

why don't you hire this guy



he just came to the US looking for work, lol

 

I never said all, a good portion of them however do not. They are still 'illegal' since when did the definition of 'illegal' change?

As far as studies to prove the average immigrant putting in more than they take, it's a bit hard to make a study when so many are undocumented, no true records on them is it not? Especially those who abuse the system and claim to be more than one person, such as the ones I personally knew of did. Those people were 1 but accounted for multiple in such a study, makes the study not very reliable

 

If you would like to replace those prejudices with some hard data, you can look at the raw data provided by the Mexican Migration Project or even the brief summary in Seeing Mexican Immigration Clearly.