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Stop Calling it a Sandbox!

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Help Desk, Oct 25, 2004.

  1. #1
    Ok what the !@#% is a sandbox?

    Most people use the term "sandbox" as a generic term as to why their new page is not doing well. In this respect it is more of a "penalty box". This Penalty Box refers to new pages getting penalized in the SERPs just because they are new.

    Others refer to the sandbox as to links from new pages not counting as much as links from old pages. Kind of think of this as not being able to vote until you are 18. Perhaps this should be called "Underage linking".
    SEMrush
    So what's you 2 cents?
     
    Help Desk, Oct 25, 2004 IP
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  2. Infiniterb

    Infiniterb Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a fairly dumb term. I would, however, like to be on the committee to define such terms.
     
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  3. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #3
    underage linking sounds a little kinky. perhaps "fermented links" that are counted after they have aged a while? :p
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    Isn't the sandbox where the kids go to play?
     
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  5. Lever

    Lever Deep Thought

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    Nothing wrong with it being called the sandbox, it's the usual term for a test environment - check the terms lower down the page at the wiki explanation... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox
     
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  6. caroline

    caroline Peon

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    The term is fine - the sandbox is a place where kid sites play, away from the real sites, 'til they grow up.
     
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    hightide13 Peon

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    Sandbox is also the place outdoor cats go to take a dump.
     
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  8. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    its also a good spot to hide bodies of people you recently ... uh wait..forget I started that sentence.
     
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  9. Trance-formation

    Trance-formation Peon

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    Haven't I seen Googles adwords keyword suggestion tool referred to as the sandbox at times... did it confuse me or am I just confused? :eek:
     
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    randfish Peon

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    #10
    In a post over at SEOChat, I attempted to shift the naming of a part of this phenomenon to the "March Filter". It wasn't very successful. I think people will keep calling it Sandbox.

    What's more important than the name though is making sure there's a clear definition of the phenomenon and making sure people understand when and how to meaure it.

    Check out - http://forums.seochat.com/t17246/s.html
     
    randfish, Oct 25, 2004 IP
  11. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    since the phrase sandbox appears on so many forums and is essentially described the same way; its become the defacto name of it. Why bother changing it something else, really? If it exists; which is kinda doubtful - i think its more about google's sporadic BL updates than anything else, the a uniform name is kinda nice, instead of 1 site calling it this, another calling it that.
     
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  12. disgust

    disgust Guest

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    I still don't get how people can say the chance that it exists is doubtful, or just flat out wrong.

    every new site I've made recently (and there've been quite a few), do fine in allinanchor, but take ages to start doing well in the actual serps. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is what everyone's talking about. ;)

    if you haven't tried making new domains recently, I don't see how you could possibly argue that the sandbox (even if you're not crazy about the name) doesn't exist.
     
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  13. chachi

    chachi The other Jason

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    amen brutha
     
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  14. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    #14
    You contradicted yourself as soon as you said it is a test environment. This "dampening" effect for new domains or pages is not a test environment.
     
    Help Desk, Oct 25, 2004 IP
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    schlottke Peon

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    #15
    Disgust's post is on the money, good post.
     
    schlottke, Oct 25, 2004 IP
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    #16
    I don't see anything wrong about the term "sandbox".
     
    crear21, Oct 26, 2004 IP
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    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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    So in your own words, define "sandbox".
     
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    schlottke Peon

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    I don't see a point in arguing about it. Its like trying to change the name of Kleenex, everyone already refers to it by that name, knows what it is, and thats that.
     
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    lowrider14044 Raider

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    I agree with Disgust. There has to be something going on. You can call it sandbox, mud pit, whatever you want. Not just on new sites but older ones as well. I've managed to get into the top five in allinanchor and have decent on-page stats but still way down in the serps. The links being applied to get the allinanchor position have to be stuck some place. Of course I may be wrong like I normally am. :)
     
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    schlottke Peon

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    Nah, its certainly happening. Every new page Ive built up Allinanchor: waited 1 1/2 - 2 months, and landed in or near that spot- like clockwork.
     
    schlottke, Oct 26, 2004 IP