Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat

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  1. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
    Was that Nietsche? No, mohammad

    watch that - you have to scroll down a bit
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    Just for you and today, though the day hasn't finished yet in peaceful islamica. Check the full list

    9/29/05PakistanAngoor Adda A civilian has his throat slit by al-Qaeda militants.

    9/29/05IraqBaghdad In two attacks, Sunni gunmen machine-gun workers at a Shia bakery as well as a van carrying soccer-stadium employees. Four people are murdered.

    9/29/05PakistanKarim Kut al-Qaeda terrorists stage an attack on a vehicle carrying government officials, killing five.

    9/29/05IraqBalad (99)About one-hundred people are massacred in three separate suicide attacks by Sunni fanatics. Most were at a vegetable market or near a bank. The third was near a clothing shop. Many more are injured, most with burns - some with missing limbs.

    9/29/05ChechnyaGrozny Mujahideen gunmen open up on a car, killing two police officers and a 3-year-old girl. The girl's mother suffered injury.

    9/29/05IndiaSrinagar Fifteen civilians and four security personnel are injured when a Muslim militant hurls a grenade into a crowd.

    9/29/05IndiaAlal islamic militants abduct a civilian and beat him to death.

    9/29/04IndiaAnantnag Muslim militants shoot a government official and bodyguard to death as they are waiting at a traffic light.

    9/29/04AfghanistanZabul Taliban terrorists attack a government post, killing twelve Afghan soldiers.

    9/29/04IraqTal Afar An Islamic insurgent car bombing kills four civilians and injures at least sixteen others.

    9/29/04PakistanQuetta A teenager is killed, and nine other civilians injured by a bicycle bomb.

    9/29/03IraqHabbaniya Terrorist bombing and small arms attack leaves one U.S. soldier dead and another injured.

    9/29/02IndiaKashmir The Mujahideen kill two civilians in separate attacks (Battal & Akhal Bhatpora)9/29/02IndiaTral117One person is killed, and seventeen others injured when a Muslim tosses a grenade into the road.

    9/29/02Saudi ArabiaRiyadh Car bomb kills one German national.

    9/29/01IndiaPanjtirthi The bodies of two brothers abducted by the Mujahideen are found
     
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #43
    terror search in the quran - just a few


    YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
    PICKTHAL: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
    SHAKIR: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

    YUSUFALI: How many towns have We destroyed (for their sins)? Our punishment took them on a sudden by night or while they slept for their afternoon rest.
    PICKTHAL: How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.
    SHAKIR: And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday.

    YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
    PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
    SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

    YUSUFALI: And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).
    PICKTHAL: Naught hindereth Us from sending portents save that the folk of old denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel - a clear portent save to warn.
    SHAKIR: And nothing could have hindered Us that We should send signs except that the ancients rejected them; and We gave to Samood the she-camel-- a manifest sign-- but on her account they did injustice, and We do not send signs but to make (men) fear.

    YUSUFALI: The Day when the Trumpet will be sounded: that Day, We shall gather the sinful, blear-eyed (with terror).
    PICKTHAL: The day when the Trumpet is blown. On that day we assemble the guilty white-eyed (with terror),
    SHAKIR: On the day when the trumpet shall be blown, and We will gather the guilty, blue-eyed, on that day

    YUSUFALI: And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
    PICKTHAL: And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.
    SHAKIR: And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.

    YUSUFALI: So leave them alone until they encounter that Day of theirs, wherein they shall (perforce) swoon (with terror),-
    PICKTHAL: Then let them be (O Muhammad), till they meet their day, in which they will be thunder-stricken,
    SHAKIR: Leave them then till they meet that day of theirs wherein they shall be made to swoon (with terror):

    YUSUFALI: It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)!
    PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath caused those of the People of the Scripture who disbelieved to go forth from their homes unto the first exile. Ye deemed not that they would go forth, while they deemed that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah reached them from a place whereof they recked not, and cast terror in their hearts so that they ruined their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So learn a lesson, O ye who have eyes!
    SHAKIR: He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #44
    Arnie, that was last year for sept 29. Today they only show one so far, not that people of hate won't match the killings of last year.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #45
    You're right. I didn't see that. Sorry
    Anyway, Somalia with the ongoing slaughters is not included and sure those who are sentenced to death every day in islamic nations and which are under strict secrecy are not mentioned.

    What we get is some bits and pieces once in a while.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #46
    2. quote from muhammads last speech

    O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
    All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

    What about the Bahais, they are recognised as a religion and started about 170 years ago? John Smith? all the other cults and sects? - all new faith and wrong as islam.
     
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  7. Edz

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    #47
    In this thread or?

    Victim boy? Based upon?

    Remind me of what i did not answer for you so i can still answer what i had to answer for you, that is only fair right? No problem here...with you?
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #48
    See the previous page, do a search for "pointless questions."

    Also, I have quite a few threads going on. Remind me again, what is your point?
     
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    #49
    Point proven by you already i guess since your question was a counter question to my question and now you are totally avoiding to answer the question in the first place.

    Or are you questioning that :D

    I ask you once more as last attempt to engage you in a constructive discussion,

    Was it not mentioned by the white house spokesperson that the report was accurate but only according to them in a certain timeframe mentioned as a snapshot?

    My second question to you which was another attempt to engage the discussion about the matter at hand was,

    Why was the report totally wrong as you mentioned?

    Is the quote below the question you need answered?
    Like i said it has to do with the subject matter.
    Why?

    If you had answered in the first place you would see why but you choose to post vague responses and no real answers.

    If this is the route you wish to continue then it´s hardly worth my valuable time as well.
    Ball is in your court, i tried to play the game but you keep running away from the ball being passed at you, so are you a player or are you backing out?
     
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  10. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #50
    Again, I respond that I have not seen the briefing that you are referring to, therefore I cannot comment. Rather than repeatedly asking me this question, for which I cannot confirm for you, wouldn't it be more constructive to source this material so that I may offer a proper response? That would be fair, no?

    Because the information the classified material the NYT deliberately chose to portray from anonymous sources was not in line with the declassified portions released. This would be obvious, if you read the NYT's original claim then matched it up with what was in the NIE that was released. This, in fact, is why portions of the NIE were declassified...to correct the misinformation the NYT erroneously reported.

    In fact, the picture the NYT wanted to portray, that failure to retreat has made the problem worse, is completely different then what the NIE report says. It further highlights the fact that "United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations".

    It would appear that the NYT never even read the NIE and simply took the word of anonymous sources whose only purpose was to give a black eye to the Bush administration. This is not surprising, but I do not think they expected to be challenged. In fact, they were challenged and to set the record straight, portions of the NIE were declassified to set the record straight.

    It then becomes a question of whether facts matter. Do they? I submit that if you are one who strongly dislikes Bush no matter what he does, then the facts will not matter. If you have an open mind, and compare what the NYT released to the actual NIE objectively, you will come to the same conclusion...that the report was wrong. There are any number of sources which have done quite a bit of detailed compilations of the time line and information regarding this matter:

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/09/frist-new-york-times-should-read-nie.html
    http://www.arenaofideas.org/?p=57
    http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/1e83db99-0996-4d1a-b23b-0a64b836c058
    http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/09/26/a-chain-of-events/

    I would enjoying hearing your counter debate of why you feel the report was correct. Would it be fair to presume if you are questioning me why I believe it is false, that you believe it was true? And if so, do facts really matter? Feel free to match up the NYT document with the released NIE and offer a counter for the debate.

    If you are really into how the NYT not only commits treason by continuously releasing classified information (whether correct or in this case, incorrect), here's an interesting link that shows how clearly biased an inept they are.

    In summary, the NYT, WAPO and the democrat party in general took a huge hit over this latest attempt at Bush hatred. The NYT/WAPO got it wrong, the message of defeat and retreat was right in line with the democrat parties values and they prematurely jumped on this story to fit it right into their agenda of defeat and retreat. When the smoke cleared, we learned the exact opposite was the case. Just in time for elections ;) Karl Rove himself couldn't have planned a more perfect disaster for democrats!
     
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    #51
    Hi GTech, i will have to respond to your post later on since i have some ideas that i wish to work on right now but your post does gives me the impression it holds some interesting information.

    Will get back to you on this.
     
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    #52
    Hi Gtech,

    You are correct that content has been taking out of context and parts of the report would suggest that there is good progress in undermining the actions of Al Qaida, which is probably so, i do have to say i do not agree even though with all the efforts that are being made to say the terror threat because of the war in Iraq is not to be worsened.

    It's just common logic to conclude the Iraq war is in fact a fire that heats up the overall terror threat. More and more wannabee jihadists are seeing western troops/occupation in Iraq...a holy ground and are being confronted with this day in and day out.

    Therefor it's unevitable that the overall terror threat can be perceived as a increasing threat and not as a decreasing threat.

    The reason why i brought up the report and Tony Snow is that he indeed confirmed that at some point the Iraq war was a factor that helped increase the overall terror threat.

    Even though the ongoing efforts may have impacted the overall structure and leadership of "Al Qaida" does not make it less worse.
    Since Al Qaida is just a term being used for Islamic radicalists that use terror as a means.

    These type of people are not dependent on leadership, they support and plan their operations by themself and i don't see any threat lessening because of socalled leadership being disrupted.


    Just think about it GTech, you...if you where a wanabee jihadi could build yourself a bomb and plant yourself in the middle of a crowd in a mall near you and set yourself off right? You did your maths :D

    Or could easily place it somewhere with the intention to cause destruction.

    That is where the danger lies and so long the war is continuing the possibility of these type of attacks are only getting bigger.

    That's why i think the report is wrong personally.
     
    Edz, Oct 10, 2006 IP