somebody need to explain this verse

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by matttiya88, Aug 21, 2009.

  1. Dodara

    Dodara Active Member

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    #21
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    If you can not see the answers which were direct to your questions, then im sorry i can not help you, but since you have realized your stupidity, then there might be a chance your brain will get it :rolleyes:
     
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    imad Peon

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    #22
    Yup, this is Chaos, each time he gets OWNED, he will come back to twist and change, to say what means: this is not what he actually meant, but he meant bluh bluh bluh ...
     
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    #23
    Now I see. Thanks for letting me know why the Quran starts with incitement against the "disbelievers" in Surah 2, right after Surah 1 which besically tell: "god exists".
    Or, why a discussion about the "disbelievers" and their "evildoing" precede discussions of the sun, the moon, the flowers, and the birds.

    I find your answer, "because Islam is glorious and you are stupid" very interesting from theological, philosophical, natural and practical points of view. I never imagined before that such great wisdom is hidden within the Quran. How could I miss it.

    Thank you.
     
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  4. matttiya88

    matttiya88 Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Sorry maybe I lost yr question,I just trying to give a big pict on what quran and Islam r.:D

    Yup,All quran verses had been compiled into one book but God sent to Muhammad(pbuh) one verses to another verses acoording to a suitable time,situation and condition of the people on that time.

    And if you want to know,the very first verses sent to Muhammad(pbuh) is surah Al-Alaq consisting of 19 verses

    but at the beginning God only sent five first verses to Muhammad(pbuh) and on another time the rest of verses..God didn't send a complete book of quran on one time but a verses by verses.To let you all understand first..:D

    In this verses God didn't enjoined to Muhammad(pbuh) anything like praying 5 time a days, almsgiving,do haj,fasting but to READ..

    1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),
    2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
    3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
    4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],
    5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
    6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).
    7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
    8. Surely! Unto your Lord is the return.
    9. Have you (O Muhammad (pbuh)) seen him (i.e. Abu Jahl) who prevents,
    10. A slave (Muhammad (pbuh)) when he prays?
    11. Tell me, if he (Muhammad (pbuh)) is on the guidance (of Allah)?
    12. Or enjoins piety?
    13. Tell me if he (the disbeliever, Abu Jahl) denies (the truth, i.e. this Qur'an), and turns away?
    14. Knows he not that Allah does see (what he does)?
    15. Nay! If he (Abu Jahl) ceases not, We will catch him by the forelock,
    16. A lying, sinful forelock!
    17. Then, let him call upon his council (of helpers),
    18. We will call the guards of Hell (to deal with him)!
    19. Nay! (O Muhammad (pbuh))! Do not obey him (Abu Jahl). Fall prostrate and draw near to Allah!

    Hope you can READ a lot quran(mercy for u) and got it bro.peace:D
     
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  5. ChaosTrivia

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    #25
    Your answer contains the word first mattiya. That's huge progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    However I am still not satisfied.

    I did not ask "what appears first in the Quran", which is the question you answered, and I didn't ask.

    I asked, something like 15 times already, "Why the bad words about the disbelievers appear before words on the earth and the sun and the animals and the birds?"

    It is very sad that none of you Muslims is capable of understanding my very simple question and answering it.
    Maybe next post, although I'm getting VERY pessimistic to the point of despair already.

    p.s.
    read "Al-Alaq" verse 13 - I see a "disbeliever" again, before the frogs and the birds and the education and the environment and everything else. HATE before everything else - is unfortunately my imagine of the quran.
    Honestly, you might not believe me but I said to myself "hell, why not, lets read the quran", not in order to "discredit muslims and quran", as Imad likes to put it, but just to read and see if I can find interesting things.
    Unfortunately, I stopped in the Hate speech of Surah 2 and didn't read further.
    Instead, I made the post with all of surah 1+2 and ask for an explanation.
    For the answers I got from many, I conclude that people who follow the quran have a profound problem in their ability to understand what is written and said to them (no by the prophet, but by simple people like me).
    If there is a Muslim here who could save the day, speak up!
     
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  6. matttiya88

    matttiya88 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Oh,Quran is for mankind,not for animal,bird,earth,sun and etc.:DAnd mankind who hd given brains to think always seem to be unbelievers.They used to unbeliever God's word by using their imperfect brain rather than thankful to One who give that brain.To read carefully and understand what your Creator need you to do in this short life in reward of internal life in heavan.

    "Alas for mankind! There never came a Messenger to them but they used to mock at him."(yasin 36:30)

    that why God always pointing to those unbeliever in Him to open their beautiful eyes,open their heart n mind to accept whatever He command into us,mankind.And He always give a warning a torment of hell for those unbelievers to make them realize and accept it before it's too late for them.Then when the day of judgement come they don't have any accused because God was already gv a lot of warning to them.:)

    And ofcourse God who created the earth and heaven is the most merciful and Most Forgiving for those who are planning to meet with Him in "salam"(peace).

    peace ChaosTrivia:D
     
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    #27
    mattiya88, god is almighty.
    he can make a bird sing, a brain grow, a man kill or get killed? right?
    he created me and controls everything in me? if I get cancer, that's god's will, right?

    So why don't he just convert me to Islam with his own powers, powers that "evildoer" me can not resist?
    Why, you think, he wants you to do it instead?
    Do you believe you will get a VIP position in heaven if you'll make me or anybody else convert?

    (3 simple questions, 3 simple answers please, can think you do it?
    for example, don't mentioned the great knowledge in the Quran, again. the Quran is not part of any of my questions, good luck)
     
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  8. matttiya88

    matttiya88 Well-Known Member

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    Okeyh ChaosTrivia
    question 1;God say in quran that if He send down a miracle from sky surely it will make u believed.Just wait for another couple of days.During this fasting month.:)

    question 2;it be our task(all muslims) that r given to us to spread the message of God that's God is One.Worship Him alone.

    question 3;even if i'm just thinking to write this text.didn't even wrote yet but with mercy from God He did gv the best reward to us(believers).:)
     
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    #29
    OK thank you for the answers.
    After I see the miracle from the sky I will convert.
    In the meanwhile, I live in a the only country on earth that has 5 million people and is sorrounded by 150 millions who act on the basis of the belief, that it has no right to exist. Under these impossible cirumstances, it manages to only not survive, but it also stands in the first row of world's most modern, advanced, innovative, etc etc countries.
    Is this the miracle you were refering to?

    According to the quran, does this include the use of force?
    If not, why is almost all Islamic countries, the punishment for leaving Islam is death?

    Tell us more about the reward. Does this include virgins? good stuff to smoke? good food? what about taxes rates there? how would that feel?
    In this context i am especially interested in the social structure of the souls society, or you think that they do not interact between one another?

    (short answers again please. I asked short questions. you are doing fine!)
     
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