Some invisible and supernatural creatures are real, that's a fact you can't deny.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by kafer, Jul 4, 2007.

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    Most Muslims believe that there are certain invisible beings that are currently with us living, eating, sleeping and accompanying us everywhere. The acceptance of their existence is central to the religion, and anyone who denys their existence would be denounced as an infidel. These unseen creatures were originally created by god from light and fire respectively.

    Ok you must have guessed by now that I am talking about Angels and Satan(s) and some of you may say, well what is the problem with that? Most religions have that concept so what is the big deal.

    Well, the advantage that Muslims have over other religions is that the believe in them is in practical terms. They interact with them, talk to them and shun the unwanted ones as needed. All of these dealings with the invisible creatures happen countless times during the day and night.

    Let me draw some examples for your information:

    Angels what do they do for us:

    They control some of the natural phenomena that occur for instance there is an angel who brings the thunder.
    They are in charge of embryos in wombs.
    They protect us.
    They record our deeds and watch over us in whatever we do.
    They participate in wars along with the good Muslims and fight in their thousands in organised armies.
    They are the servants of god and are involved in almost everything that happen on earth .
    They of course take our life too.​


    How do Muslims interact with them?


    Saluting the angels: At the end of each prayer at least five times a day, Muslims salute the two angels residing over their shoulders (On the right an angel takes notes of good and the one to the left shoulder takes notes of evil deeds). They may salute them also when entering homes or other places.


    Muslims must do their best to keep angels welcomed home. For instance they must keep dogs and some pictures outside their homes and refrain from playing music or do any sinful things otherwise some angels will not enter.


    Satin, devil, Lucifer (iblis), Genis (Jinns) etc.. who are they?

    I am not sure of the relationship between Satan and genis (jinns), may be they are the same thing. But what I can assert is they are both made of some sort of fire a smokeless one perhaps. Any way the most important thing is that they are invisible supernatural creatures but unlike angels they have free will.

    [quote from wikipedia]"The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They live in tribes and have boundaries. They follow the same religions as humans do, and follow the same ranks in armies as humans do. Jinns can settle in a vast area to a tiny hole, as they are massless and can be fit into any space they find sufficient for them. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans…. Jinn can transform themselves into humans and can be summoned by humans."

    Muslims also interact with the jinns/satan. They must deal with them harshly and do everything possible to keep them away.

    Muslims should avoid them and refrain from acting like them:

    Reciting the quran is the best weapon against the Shaitan and muslims should always seek Allah's protection from Satan, because he keeps whispering and distracting them from doing good deeds.

    An ordinary Muslim will make sure to follow and perform certain tasks in certain order. They should eat with the right hand (because Satan eats and drinks with his left hand), enter the toilet with the left foot, enter the mosque with the right foot and so on... Furthermore if a Muslim does not mention the name of Allah before eating or drinking Satan for instance will happily join them on their meals, and that is defenitly undesirable by any mean. ​



    This authentic hadith sums it all:

    [Sahih Muslim].


    Over a Billion people believe in them, sure of their existence, and deal with them in their daily life. So how could anyone still deny that fact of their existence! Something I shall never understand!:confused:
     
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    Very interesting lol

    I read it all & i'm not into those long threads about religion:mad:
     
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    What do they have against dogs?
    What pictures could you not have in your house?
    :)
     
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    Jinn is not Satan.
    Jinns are lower level magic creatures, they do not do bad, nor care about doing good. Just like us :D
     
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    Satan is the Master of Jinns.
    Both are made of fire.
     
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    one thing is that dogs piss & take a dump all over the place. Unlike cats are allowed since they clean themselves several times a day:)

    Pictures that include nude, pictures showing negative things ect. ( don't know all but that is some :))
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    jins cause horrible dreams aswell.
     
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    My dog is my best buddy. He is an indoor dog and never goes potty in the house, because I take him out for walks. Potty training is very simple, haven't you ever heard of that? I have a pomeranian named CoCo Bean:)
    I don't trust anyone that doesn't like dogs.:p
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    its not about not liking dogs:) I like dogs as well but their are reasons on why dogs aren't allowed in the house that I don't know about but I guees the ones I mentioned are some...but their is nothing wrong with owning a dog:D
     
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    Here is a story about a stray dog that saved the life of an abandoned baby.
    Here is a dog that saved his owners life when she was choking.

    I think dogs should be indoors with you because by nature they are pack animals and need your companionship. It creates a stronger bond and they become better trained as well. When you leave them outside you are exposing them to danger and most likely loneliness and boredom. So is it true in general that most all muslims do not allow dogs in the house?
     
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    I say to remove religious topics and section from this forums.It is a webmaster forum not a forum to convert people to religion
     
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    #13
    Sounds like you're describing something from a video game.
     
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    There is no better place for Muslims to directly avenge and punish the devil than in Mecca itself. During the Hajj it is an essential ritual requirement to stone the devil by throwing pebbles at three walls. Though, the stoning of the devil is the most dangerous part of the Hajj as it can cause people to be crushed, suffocated or killed in stampedes, it is all WORTH IT.

    Surely the stoning of the devil is only a symbolic gesture following the example of the prophet Abraham and this action is just a refutation of the temptations of the Devil.

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    Please show some respect in your questions. You don’t question the rules. But you are allowed however to ask about the divine reasons behind that ruling.

    Well, the reason for that is because the prophet said so.
    [Sahih Muslim]

    Anyway it’s obvious that Angels are pure and don’t like dirty things.:D
     
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    yes it is absolutely true that keeping a dog as a pet is forbidden in islam, furthermore muslim say that black dogs are similar to the satan and i have seen many muslim people crossing the road over to avoid black dogs.
    This is what i have found about islam and dogs.
    Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr. Gerard Finstimer, in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says:

    The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

    Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters, leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste.

    Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

    From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

    This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible; consequently, they were not discovered until very recently. Biologically, the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs' tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself. In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.

    In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed. Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.

    Professor Noeller, through post-mortem dissection of human bodies in Germany, found that the incidence of infection with dogs' worms is at least one percent. In some places such as Dalmatia, Iceland, southeastern Australia, and Holland, where dogs are used for pulling sleds, the incidence rate of tapeworm among dogs is 12 percent. In Iceland, the number of people who suffer from the inflammation caused by this worm has reached the rate of 43 percent. If we add to this the human suffering, the loss of meat because of infection of cattle, and the permanent danger to human health because of the presence of tapeworms, we cannot be very complacent toward this problem.

    Perhaps the best way to combat the problem is to limit the worms to dogs and not let them spread, since in actuality we need to keep some dogs. We should not neglect to treat dogs when necessary by getting rid of the tapeworms in their tonsils and perhaps repeating this process periodically on shepherd dogs and watchdogs.

    Man can protect his life and health by keeping a safe distance from dogs. He should not hug them, play with them, or let them come close to children. Children should be taught not to play with dogs or to fondle them. Dogs should not be permitted to lick children's hands or come to places where they play. Unfortunately, dogs are allowed to roam about everywhere, especially in places where children play, and their bowls are scattered throughout the house. Dogs must have their own separate bowls, and they must not be allowed to lick bowls and plates used by humans. They should not be allowed inside grocery stores, restaurants, or marketplaces. In general, great care must be taken that they do not come in contact with anything which is used by people for eating and drinking.

    We already know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be on him) forbade mixing with dogs, and that he warned against their licking plates and against keeping them without necessity. How is it possible that the teachings of an unlettered Arab, Muhammad, should agree with the latest findings of scientific research? Truly, we cannot say anything except to repeat the words of the Qur'an: (Nor does he speak from (his own) desire. It is nothing other than a Revelation sent down.) (An-Najm 53: 3-4)
     
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    It is a forum about religion and he is not trying to convert people, have you seen his user name? he is only informing you of what muslim people do.
     
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    Most muslims blame the satan if they commit a sin or a crime. basically it's the satan who whispers in your ears andtells you to do bad things. If you are really strong you will say no if not youwill do it. But muslims do not blame themselves, they always say it's the satan who told them to commit these sins.
     
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    So you base the legitimacy of something on the number of people who believe in it?

    A few hundred years ago everyone used to believe that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it. Didn't make them right though did it?

    So how many people have to believe in something for it to be 'fact'? Do I need to recruit 1 million people who believe that the moon is made of cheese or does it need to be two million, maybe three?
     
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    No I think he doesn't believe in it hiimself and finds it quite unbelievable that so many people belive in it. But also you have to ask yourself if all muslim believe in their religion 100%, I suppose they believe in god first of all then they just follow what come with it, it's like a package really, but do all muslims know what's in the package?
    Most of them were born muslim and do not really question things, they just accept it.

    But why believing in angels and satan would be considered strange? what about God? would you not consider god a supernatural creature?
     
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