Some info I think you might want to discuss concerning islam

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Skynt, Aug 31, 2006.

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    If you look at this situation in the middle east for a second, and analyze the islamic religion , if you have any common sense you'll figure it out. But hey, I'll spoon feed ya. The Koran tells its followers which also include the moderate musilums to kill unbelievers, and they shall reap rewards in heaven. Now, you might say that all religions have violent verses like this, but if you look at EVERYone of the scriptures in the Christian Bible, you'll find theres a literal difference. This scripture was kinda taken out of context, but Ill quote it:
    Theres no way you can miss interpret this one sentence, but you can see the difference. The Koran tells its followers to kill unbelievers, but in the bible, God says he will punish the unrightous himself. The bible puts a strong emphasis on its followers to be good to their neighbors, even if they do evil things to you. It also says vengence belongs to God, not you. Basically it the christian bible tells its followers to NOT spread violence, instead spread peace. This excludes biblical stories, like when King David was told to kill a certain people, in which case was a strategically kill to keep evil from spreading, etc. etc. Of course, the new testament seems to end that, taking in a new form of stopping the spread of evil (peace). Also you must remember, the christian God is called the God of Israel, obviously he is going to help King David defend his country. Which in Jesus' time had already spread.

    Most other religions like hindus, and polytheistic religions are less violative and instead call for people to find the light in themselves. No other religion has more violent verses then islam.

    Anyways, if you read all that, I think if you look some of what I said up, you'll find its very much true.

    Oh, heres a islamic verse that I looked up in the Koran:
    and yet another
    I don't know about you, but that seems pretty violent?
     
    Skynt, Aug 31, 2006 IP
  2. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    There's a huge difference.

    In the Bible it's a specific command to a specific person leading a specific army in a specific battle.

    In the Koran, it's a general command that applies to everyone. The central problem with the Koran is that there is no concept of authority.
     
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  3. Skynt

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    Yeah, I totally agree. And thats where the problem lyes, that general message to everyone. Its a big part of what generates the violence, along with other factors, they feel like that is what really jusifies it.
     
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  4. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    Q. 2:22

    WHO made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof, and caused water to come down from the clouds and therewith brought forth fruits for your sustenance; so do not set up equals to ALLAH, while you know. Sher Ali

    Commentary:

    ... who has made the earth AS FLAT and comfortable as a bed and placed upon it mountains standing firm... (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Part 1), Surah Al-Fatihah Surah Al-Baqarah, ayat 1 to 141, abridged by Sheikh Muhammad Nasib Ar-Rafa’i [Al-Firdous Ltd., London, 1998 second edition], pp. 79-80)

    The online version reads:

    ... He made the earth a resting place for them, just like the bed, STABLE with the firm mountains ...

    <And the sky as a canopy> meaning, ‘a ceiling’ ...

    Q. 13:3

    And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains, and rivers: and of every fruit He hath placed on it two kinds: He causeth the night to enshroud the day. Verily in this are signs for those who reflect

    And the earth have WE spread out, and set therein firm mountains and cause every thing to grow therein in proper proportion. Sher Ali

    We are told in the Tafsir al-Jalalayn that:

    And the earth We have stretched it out, SPREAD IT FLAT, and cast therein firm mountains, lest it should sway beneath its inhabitants, and caused to grow therein every kind of balanced thing, [every kind of thing] known and determined.

    Q. 16:15

    And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest IT [the earth] should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves; Y. Ali

    Q. 20:53

    [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you and has traced highways on it for you, and sent down water from the sky, We have brought forth every sort of plant with it, of various types.

    Q. 22:65

    Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven FROM FALLING ON THE EARTH except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men

    Q. 27:61

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as A FIXED ABODE, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not

    Q. 30:25

    Among His signs are [the fact] that the sky and earth HOLD FIRM at His command. Then whenever He calls you forth out of the earth once and for all, you will (all) come forth!

    Q. 31:10

    He created the heavens without any pillars THAT YE CAN SEE; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs

    Q. 35:41

    Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth LEST THEY MOVE away from their places, and if they were TO MOVE away from their places, there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft Forgiving

    And now it comes even better.
    Our earth is fixed and doesn't move.


    According to the teaching of Quran and Hadith, the sky and earth ARE STATIONARY and planets rotate. It is the sun that moves around the earth WHILE THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE AROUND THE SUN.

    There are many verses of the Holy Quran that clearly show the rotation of the moon and the sun, which are given as under:

    1) "And made the sun and the moon subservient. Each runs to a turns stated" (Al-Quran, part 13, Sura Al-Ra'ad (The Thunder)-13, verse 2)
    2) "And He made the sun and the moon subservient for you which are constantly moving" (Al-Quran, part 13, Sura Ibraheem -14, verse 23)
    3) And each (The moon the sun) is floating in an orbit." (Al-Quran, part 23, Sura Yaseen -36, verse 140)

    It is thus quiet [sic] clear that the sun moves and it is obligatory upon every muslim [sic] to believe it. Because it is what Allah Almighty ordains us to believe. In the light of the Holy Quran and Hadith the theory of the rotation of the earth IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Allah Almighty says: "Undoubtedly, Allah has withheld the heavens and the earth least they move." (AL-Quran)

    .....more than 10 references in the quran ....
     
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  5. Skynt

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    lol, wow, so the earth is flat, and doesn't move now? Thats funny. I guess Google has lied to us.
     
    Skynt, Sep 1, 2006 IP