well, at least we agree that people shouldn't have to go without medical care, you know some people think that, don't you? I don't think I ever said everyone should be forced into a federal system
I can't account for what other people think. You seem to, but if you do not; that's fine. As I said, If Oregon, Florida or whatever wanted to install a single payer system and the voters agreed. Wonderful. Perfectly inline with the 10th amendment. And a good test. It (the vote) already failed in Oregon though, remember? 2004 or 2006? We already know what'll happen though, evidence all over the planet. May take 20 or 40 years, but the results are inevitable.
It should be up to the person. If you want to go without medical care, no one should force you. If you want medical care, you should go get it... Just don't demand that somebody else pays for it without you ever repaying it back. Another word for involuntary redistribution of wealth is theft
The article said people were refused treatment if they didn't agree to stop smoking. But in america people are being refused treatment because it costs thier insurance company money. Our system is still better. Nobody is saying it's without cost. I keep saying "free at the point of use", Tell me which part of that you are having trouble understanding and i'll explain it a little clearer for you. You are missing the point. We have the choice to pay, Like you do, For private insurance and get a nice room and be seen the next day to have our tonsils out if we want to, But we also have another system that people can use if they dont want insurance or can't afford it. Having multiple options has to be better than having one option. You talk as if we don't have the option to go private, We do, Unlike you who is forced to go private. What good is an emergency room to people with cancer? Do they give them radiotherapy in these emergency rooms? No, They don't. Emergency rooms are practically just first aid. NHS and private doctors are generally the same people. In these cases the NHS send people to private run hospitals if they have specialist doctors or to free up space in hospitals, Not because it's a better system. It's strange how america is the only developed western country not to offer a national health service. After all, Like you keep saying, Our system doesn't work, Apparently you guys are the only ones to do it right......
That's where it gets sticky. Some religions out there believe that medicine is evil and you can't get treatment for anything. Remember the parents who wouldn't get their kid get chemo a few years ago because of their beliefs?
So why should we care? Chemo is nearly useless, except for a few relatively obscure types of cancer. My dad died of chemo, it wasn't pleasant and perhaps more painful than dying of cancer would be. Some cancer patients refuse chemo because it causes suffering and is almost useless, I can't blame them. If we give the government the power to enforce medical treatment, the lobbyists will use it to maximize drug industry profits. Unless you believe that government is honest and won't sell us to the corporations. One of my daughters was born at home and is unvaccinated. Does it bother you in any way? If she dies of vaccine deficiency, how will it affect you?
well if she spreads some disease to all her classmates because you didn't bother to get her shots, I would say many people could care I don't know of people die of "vaccine deficiency", don't the usually die of diseases?
Well, some of her potential classmates are already dead - it's one of the side-effects of vaccination. The rest are immune (assuming that vaccines work as advertised), so how can they catch disease? I am not forcing anyone to be her classmate though. Forced education in groups seems more like the problem, not non-vaccination
If the U.S. accepted a system such as Scandinavia and Germany have, that would be a disaster. America can't afford to have a quick fix. European countries are a big mess otherwise. America has responsibility.
americans ability to talk with authority on subjects they know absolutely nothing about amazes me. These people probably haven't even left thier state let alone been to another country. We have had the american system, We used to have no NHS. Back then people were regularly going without medical treatment, Now it's accesible to everyone for absolutely no cost at the point of use. Your way can't possibly be better if there are people going without treatment. So if anything, It's americans who know no different.